Originally posted by cdtm
What plot device?
A giant electrical ball of energy that is conveniently there for Daken to be swung into? Also, the fact that Daken was toying with Spider-man was the only thing that allowed that fight to get that far in the first place. Bloodlust, instead of trying to break him and bring Osborn a toy, Daken simply ends him.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
A giant electrical ball of energy that is conveniently there for Daken to be swung into? Also, the fact that Daken was toying with Spider-man was the only thing that allowed that fight to get that far in the first place. Bloodlust, instead of trying to break him and bring Osborn a toy, Daken simply ends him.
O_o Throwing someone into an electrical box is a plot device?
He was beating him down fine before that.
Also, I have the issue in front of me, and Pete takes it in both knee's by "Hawkeye". Pretty much cements that Spidey was suffering from PIS, as his precog and speed make him more than capable of avoiding that.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Did they explain how victor came back to life? I'm way behind in my wolverine comics as I wasn't following it for some time.
It's not clear but it seems like he was never dead and Wolverine killed a clone. When Sabretooth started reemerging, Wolverine dug up the body and it was still there... but he said it smelled "off" even when he killed it... but then he was ambushed by Rumolus who took the corpse... and I'm not sure why he would want the body of a Sabretooth clone... when he literally has Sabretooth clone farm... plus Sabretooth's soul was in hell... so how does that make sense?
****ing Loeb. The sequel that no one asked for, to one of the worst arcs in comic history, that every other writer (other than the equally terrible Daniel Way) as subsequently ignored. Hurray?
On the plus side the issue that came out today is IMO won of the better Wolverine stories. Great characterization. I recommend everyone picking it up. I really liked it, and I'm usually overly critical of Wolverine stories, because they so really live up to the potential of the character.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He was in the Avengers Initiative for a couple of issues with Roughouse, then in an Iron Man annual I think.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It's being explained now in Loeb's arc.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It's not clear but it seems like he was never dead and Wolverine killed a clone. When Sabretooth started reemerging, Wolverine dug up the body and it was still there... but he said it smelled "off" even when he killed it... but then he was ambushed by Rumolus who took the corpse... and I'm not sure why he would want the body of a Sabretooth clone... when he literally has Sabretooth clone farm... plus Sabretooth's soul was in hell... so how does that make sense?****ing Loeb. The sequel that no one asked for, to one of the worst arcs in comic history, that every other writer (other than the equally terrible Daniel Way) as subsequently ignored. Hurray?
On the plus side the issue that came out today is IMO won of the better Wolverine stories. Great characterization. I recommend everyone picking it up. I really liked it, and I'm usually overly critical of Wolverine stories, because they so really live up to the potential of the character.
Originally posted by cdtm
O_o Throwing someone into an electrical box is a plot device?He was beating him down fine before that.
Also, I have the issue in front of me, and Pete takes it in both knee's by "Hawkeye". Pretty much cements that Spidey was suffering from PIS, as his precog and speed make him more than capable of avoiding that.
Yes a convenient environmental object that allows a character to pull victory out of the jaws of defeat is a plot device. There is always some convenient water main or water tower that can be busted to defeat Sandman or Elektro, or some concrete truck around to take out Hydroman or some handy flammables / incendiaries around to take out Venom. Plot devices. In a forum match Spider-man doesn't have a weighted environment designed to give him a favorable outcome.
Bullseye hitting someone is never PIS. He is just that good. 😎
Originally posted by cdtm
*Nudges in* He did write the awesome Long Halloween years ago.I prefer to think that Loeb died, and we got this imposter.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Thanks buddy.
Any spoilers? Was aaron's run any good? WaTXM is just fantastic and logan is handled well in there.
Aaron's Wolverine run was alright. I wish it would have been written by the Aaron who writes Scalpled, and not the Jason Aaron who likes to pretend he is Grant Morrison.
His Wolverine magnum opus was stretched out to long, with three or four issues that were essentially the exact same, just from the perspective of a different villain. It was an attempt to build some sense of sympathy for the plight of the Red Right Hand... but twice would have been enough, and in all likeliness once was good, we didn't need to read the same story about four different characters. By the time the run ended, I think everyone (I had at least) long guessed what the shocking twist ending was going to be, which took away from the story. It is probably a great read in trade where you can sit down and knock the whole thing in 15 minutes with out a month to think about the intricacies of the story, but in monthly format it was a disappointment.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I think that it was either his son or Tim Sale writing because I can't imagine a writer of Superman for all seasons would write Ultimatum. No ****ing way.
His son died and it changed his mentality. He just wants to right pop corn fluff that he thinks his fun.
Can't really blame the guy I guess, losing a child would be depressing as shit.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Aaron's Wolverine run was alright. I wish it would have been written by the Aaron who writes Scalpled, and not the Jason Aaron who likes to pretend he is Grant Morrison.His Wolverine magnum opus was stretched out to long, with three or four issues that were essentially the exact same, just from the perspective of a different villain. It was an attempt to build some sense of sympathy for the plight of the Red Right Hand... but twice would have been enough, and in all likeliness once was good, we didn't need to read the same story about four different characters. By the time the run ended, I think everyone (I had at least) long guessed what the shocking twist ending was going to be, which took away from the story. It is probably a great read in trade where you can sit down and knock the whole thing in 15 minutes with out a month to think about the intricacies of the story, but in monthly format it was a disappointment.
Originally posted by srankmissingninPlease.. A giant electric engine that wasn't powerful enough to faze a weakened Spider-man. Let alone someone like Daken who has a Wolverine-level healing factor. Spider-man beat the livving crap outta Daken with his bare hands, it was made 100% clear, the generator barely (if at all) contributed to it.
A giant electrical ball of energy that is conveniently there for Daken to be swung into? Also, the fact that Daken was toying with Spider-man was the only thing that allowed that fight to get that far in the first place. Bloodlust, instead of trying to break him and bring Osborn a toy, Daken simply ends him.
And it works both ways. PIS/CIS is the only thing that prevented Spider-man from using spider sense offensively and beating the crap out of Daken from the very beginning of the fight. Spider-man conveniently forgot that he could fight blind for years. Acted as if it's a new power he just discovered, and THAT's when Daken got his hits in. Bad writing aside, Spider-man would've knocked Daken TFO the same way he did at the end of the fight, except he would've done it right away.
Probably stops at 3. But if we're talking how he does against th echaracters.
Mr. X - Spider-man beats him. Faster, stronger, more versatile.
Daken - goes the same way it went in that issue. Except faster.
Bloodscream - BS
Roughouse - Spider-man
Lady Deathstrike - She might tke it concidering Spider-man's CIS
Sabertooth - Same as above.
Omega Red (no Pheromones for this fight) - Red
Gorgon (no stone stare) - i'd rather not comment on Gorgon right now...