Spiderman vs Wolverine Enemies Gauntlet

Originally posted by SamZED
Please.. A giant electric engine that wasn't powerful enough to faze a weakened Spider-man. Let alone someone like Daken who has a Wolverine-level healing factor. Spider-man beat the livving crap outta Daken with his bare hands, it was made 100% clear, the generator barely (if at all) contributed to it.

And it works both ways. PIS/CIS is the only thing that prevented Spider-man from using spider sense offensively and beating the crap out of Daken from the very beginning of the fight. Spider-man conveniently forgot that he could fight blind for years. Acted as if it's a new power he just discovered, and THAT's when Daken got his hits in. Bad writing aside, Spider-man would've knocked Daken TFO the same way he did at the end of the fight, except he would've done it right away.

Spider-man got near the harmless tesla coil arcs, Daken actually connected with the generator and completed a circuit. Two different things. Completely different.

It was PIS that his Spider-sense was still functioning reliably in the first place. Daken's pheromones alter brain chemistry, they don't just effect vision like this particular issue suggests. Daken's pheromones would have had negative effect on all of Spider-man's senses, including his Spider-sense, that they did on his vision. That shit was on par with Danny's drunken boxing trumping Mr. X's ability to map and lock onto neural pathways in absurdity.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Spider-man got near the harmless tesla coil arcs, Daken actually connected with the generator and completed a circuit. Two different things. Completely different.

It was PIS that his Spider-sense was still functioning reliably in the first place. Daken's pheromones alter brain chemistry, they don't just effect vision like this particular issue suggests. Daken's pheromones would have had negative effect on all of Spider-man's senses, including his Spider-sense, that they did on his vision. That shit was on par with Danny's drunken boxing trumping Mr. X's ability to map and lock onto neural pathways in absurdity.

Well, if I really wanted to get into it I could say that Spider-man's spider sense is a magic based power so altering brain chemestry with pheromones might not cut it (don't recall anyone trying that tbh). But there's an easier way. Spider-man using his spider sense to guide his attacks (when blinded) is 100% in his character. Daken on the other hand uses his pheromones offensively in like 1/10 of his fights. Most of the time he doesn't use them at all and the few times he does he simply Fs up with his opponent's vision. So in that issue Daken was fighting in character while Spider-man wasn't. Not at first anyway. CIS is on in forum battles. So even if Daken's pheromones could mess up with spider sense (and there's a big chance they wont) he'll only use them to mess with Spider-man's vision and not ss. And that's me givving the character too much credit. It's more like him to just engage in a hand2claw combat witout relying on his pheromones at all.

Originally posted by SamZED

Well, if I really wanted to get into it I could say that Spider-man's spider sense is a magic based power so altering brain chemestry with pheromones might not cut it (don't recall anyone trying that tbh). But there's an easier way. Spider-man using his spider sense to guide his attacks (when blinded) is 100% in his character. Daken on the other hand uses his pheromones offensively in like 1/10 of his fights. Most of the time he doesn't use them at all and the few times he does he simply Fs up with his opponent's vision. So in that issue Daken was fighting in character while Spider-man wasn't. Not at first anyway. CIS is on in forum battles. So even if Daken's pheromones could mess up with spider sense (and there's a big chance they wont) he'll only use them to mess with Spider-man's vision and not ss. And that's me givving the character too much credit. It's more like him to just engage in a hand2claw combat witout relying on his pheromones at all.

I agree.

Without really understanding how the Spider Sense works, and with the only example being that it wasn't affected, we can't really assume the pheromones would alter it.

So, do you think an A game Spidey could simply deal with Daken before the pheromones even had a chance to affect him? Firelord like speed blitz?

he passes it all if spidey manages to get some info from wolvie.. and if hes using his new suit, ends of earth suit

I am assuming a setting of New York City, ample webbing, and at least SOME prior knowledge of these people on Spidey's part.

1) Mr. X --Spider-Man.

2) Daken -- Spider-Man.

3) Bloodscream -- ouch ...
Pete survives if he comes armed with reasonably good prior knowledge.

4) Roughouse -- This is Spider-Man versus The Rhino.

5) Lady Deathstrike -- Info would be helpful here. If Pete has a good idea of who this lady is, he takes it more often than not.

6) Feral -- Spider-Man.

7) Sabertooth -- Worth pointing out that Spider-Man actually beat Sabretooth back in the day. Hopefully this doesn't come down to a hand-to-hand in confined spaces ...

8) Omega Red (no Pheromones for this fight) -- Without the death spores, isn't this simply Spider-Man versus Doctor Octopus?

9) Gorgon (no stone stare) A harder version of Mr. X, who is apparently a harder version of Taskmaster. Prior knowledge of Gorgon is an absolute must for an actual win for Spidey from what I read of this guy.

10) Classic Cyber -- Spider-Man.

facepalm

Originally posted by bluewaterrider

8) Omega Red (no Pheromones for this fight) -- Without the death spores, isn't this simply Spider-Man versus Doctor Octopus?

That's what I thought, too.

A Doc Oct with body armor, but slower arms. (Considering Oct regularly beats Spidey's agility, and also easily caught Daredevil, while Omega's arms can be avoided by high end streets.)

9) Gorgon (no stone stare) A harder version of Mr. X, who is apparently a harder version of Taskmaster. Prior knowledge of Gorgon is an absolute must for an actual win for Spidey from what I read of this guy.

Gorgon's kind of tough to place. He's clearly above Wolverine, going by Enemy of The State, and even easily handled a Logan and Elektra double team, but in his fight with Danny, it looked like they were both holding back...

Not too much evidence that he's really in Pete's ball park, speed and agility wise.

Stops at Bloodscream.

Originally posted by cdtm
That's what I thought, too.

A Doc Oct with body armor, but slower arms. (Considering Oct regularly beats Spidey's agility, and also easily caught Daredevil, while Omega's arms can be avoided by high end streets.)

Red has Thing-level strength, superhuman attributes, great fighting skills and experience, a healing factor, life drain... so no, he's not like Doc Ock. He's much more than that.

OR caught Daredevil just fine...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

Omega Red caught Daredevil just fine...

Daredevil's evasion ability doesn't belong in the same sentence as Spider-Man's.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Red has Thing-level strength ...

Ock's tentacles possess Thing-level strength

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Red has ... superhuman attributes

List the relevant ones, please.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Red has ... great fighting skills and experience

Fighting who and what exactly?

What method did he use to defeat his opponents?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Red has ... a healing factor

This means that he will recover faster than Doc Ock after getting knocked out. Good to know.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Red has ... life drain

The life drain is granted to Omega Red via the Pheremones the Original Poster ELIMINATED from this scenario.
So he doesn't have that to use here.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Red has ... superhuman attributes, ... so no, he's not like Doc Ock. He's much more than that.

Accounting for the abilities ELIMINATED by the exclusion of the pheremones that the OP specified in the very first post,
the only significant difference you've HINTED at is that Omega Red is more durable than Doctor Octopus.

Hmm. How vulnerable or invulnerable is Omega Red to electricity?
Those metal arms of his are a two way street...

I'm not really seeing how Bloodscream is too much for Spidey. I think Spidey takes it all the way to Omega Red. Even without the death spores, Red is a lot to bite off. Now, CAN Spidey win against him this way? Sure. But it would take a lot of resourcefulness and prior knowledge to give him the edge in the fight. Not saying it can't happen, but it's unlikely, given the damage output and damage soak Omega Red can dish and take.