Eninn's Islam Thread

Originally posted by Omega Vision
And honestly, how else do you explain the shared tendency toward repression in these nations?

I think is point is more that there is nothing particular to the character if Islam that causes them to be oppressive.

What matters is that they're theocratic dictatorships. It is rare for an ideology not to be destructive when it spends an extended time with great political, social, and military influence.

Imperial Japan used Zen Buddhism to brainwash soldiers. In China many Buddhist monks were involved in violently forcing out the Mongols and burning their priests to death. Buddhist dominated Shrilanka knowingly funded terrorist groups to suppress rebellion.

Originally posted by Arhael
Well, there is. They execute for abandoning religion, adultery and other crimes against religion. Sharia law is designed to make people to be religious on first place, whether they want or not.

So Saddam Hussain, Gaddafi, Musharaf used to execute people for crimes against Religion?? Who are you talking about? Be more specific. The talibans were not the most educated muslims (surprise surprise). And if you look at the history of Afghanistan it's a war torn place full of warlords and dictators long before the Taliban brought there "sharia law."

And don't generalize an entire region, faith, people. In fact just don't generalize in general.

Lol it's funny and interesting though to hear how badly misinterpreted sharia law is by people. Sharia law is designed for no such thing. Quran 2:256 "There is no compulsion in religion."

So sharia is not there to "make" people religious. It's just guidance for society to live by. Guidance to form a society based on truth, justice the muslim way.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos

Imperial Japan used Zen Buddhism to brainwash soldiers. In China many Buddhist monks were involved in violently forcing out the Mongols and burning their priests to death. Buddhist dominated Shrilanka knowingly funded terrorist groups to suppress rebellion.

Wow! And Buddhism's generally considered the most peaceful faith/philosophy to live by.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I think is point is more that there is nothing particular to the character if Islam that causes them to be oppressive.

What matters is that they're theocratic dictatorships. It is rare for an ideology not to be destructive when it spends an extended time with great political, social, and military influence.

Imperial Japan used Zen Buddhism to brainwash soldiers. In China many Buddhist monks were involved in violently forcing out the Mongols and burning their priests to death. Buddhist dominated Shrilanka knowingly funded terrorist groups to suppress rebellion.

There are places in Burma today where Buddhist majorities are raping and killing members of the Muslim minority.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
So Saddam Hussain, Gaddafi, Musharaf used to execute people for crimes against Religion?? Who are you talking about? Be more specific. The talibans were not the most educated muslims (surprise surprise). And if you look at the history of Afghanistan it's a war torn place full of warlords and dictators long before the Taliban brought there "sharia law."

And don't generalize an entire region, faith, people. In fact just don't generalize in general.

Lol it's funny and interesting though to hear how badly misinterpreted sharia law is by people. Sharia law is designed for no such thing. Quran 2:256 "There is no compulsion in religion."

So sharia is not there to "make" people religious. It's just guidance for society to live by. Guidance to form a society based on truth, justice the muslim way.

Death for Blasphemy:

1. Afghanistan
2. Bahrain
3. Iran - one of the most notable countries, where according to Sharia law women get stoned to death.
4. Mauritania
5. Oman
6. Pakistan
7. Yemen
8. Saudi Arabia
9. Gaza

Imprisonment for Blasphemy:

1. Algeria
2. Bangladesh
3. Egypt
4. Iraq
5. Kuwait
6. Libya
7. Malaysia
8. Maldives
9. Morocco
10. Somalia
11. Tunisia
12. United Arab Emirates

Nations that include some level of Sharia (leniant sentences for honour killings, ban on new churches, floggings, etc):

1. Indonesia (Flogging, Caning; Sharia applied strictly in Aceh province)
2. Turkey (Restrictions on alcohol)
3. Brunei (Caning, Alcohol is illegal)
4. Jordan (2 years or less for honour killings)
5. Eritrea (Girls as young as 8 can be married, spousal rape is not recognized)
6. Syria (1 year or less for honour killings)
7. Djibouti (Sharia law regarding divorce)
8. Chechnya (Modest dress enforced, Alcohol and gambling suppressed by local authorities)
9. Niger (girls can be married off before they reach puberty)
10. Nigeria (Sharia is enforced in the northern states)
11. Kenya (Ad Hoc Sharia enforced in the east near the border with Somalia)
12. Gambia (Sharia courts decide all family matters, including for non-Muslims)
13. Qatar (public consumption is illegal during Ramadan, Alcohol heavily restricted, blood money acceptable punishment for murder, "kafala" law which is also shared by all Gulf states but Bahrain is technically slavery)
14. Uganda (Kadhi Courts overseeing family and civil matters)

You bring up examples of political crimes by specific historical personas, while I talk about things that are exercised in a lot of countries for centuries on daily basis irrelevant to who is in charge.

Originally posted by Arhael
1. Indonesia (Flogging, Caning; Sharia applied strictly in Aceh province)
2. Turkey (Restrictions on alcohol)
3. Brunei (Caning, Alcohol is illegal)
4. Jordan ([b]2 years or less for honour killings)
5. Eritrea (Girls as young as 8 can be married, spousal rape is not recognized)
6. Syria (1 year or less for honour killings)
7. Djibouti (Sharia law regarding divorce)
8. Chechnya (Modest dress enforced, Alcohol and gambling suppressed by local authorities)
9. Niger (girls can be married off before they reach puberty)
10. Nigeria (Sharia is enforced in the northern states)
11. Kenya (Ad Hoc Sharia enforced in the east near the border with Somalia)
12. Gambia (Sharia courts decide all family matters, including for non-Muslims)
13. Qatar (public consumption is illegal during Ramadan, Alcohol heavily restricted, blood money acceptable punishment for murder, "kafala" law which is also shared by all Gulf states but Bahrain is technically slavery)
14. Uganda (Kadhi Courts overseeing family and civil matters)[/B]

Pretty much every single one of those things was happening in the US in the last ~100 years without Islam being involved at all. Quite a few still are.

[didn't get my edit in under the deadline]

So, yeah, many of these are bad things but none of it is unique to Islam (and banning alchohol is so much more mild than the others that it seems like you just want to inflate the numbers). There are still people in the US calling for modest dress for women and saying they deserve to be raped for wearing short skirts, that's not Islam talking.

In the case of those particular countries I do tend to agree that local beliefs about Sharia are a root cause. Removing Islam or Sharia isn't likely to solve a lot of these problems, though.

Pretty much every single one of those things was happening in the US in the last ~100 years without Islam being involved at all. Quite a few still are.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
and banning alchohol is so much more mild than the others that it seems like you just want to inflate the numbers[

In the case of those particular countries I do tend to agree that local beliefs about Sharia are a root cause. Removing Islam or Sharia isn't likely to solve a lot of these problems, though.

A survey conducted by the Pew Research Center found relatively widespread popular support for stoning as a punishment for adultery among Muslims in Egypt (82% of respondents in favor of the punishment), Jordan (70% in favor), Indonesia (42% in favor), Pakistan (82% favor) and Nigeria (56% in favor).[34]

Nigeria. Not Asia. Half populated by christians, half - by muslims.
Why death sentences are practiced only on muslim side? Why I keep finding this kind of news?
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2002/may21/21.34.html

Soviet Union - one of the brightest examples of oppression.
When Red Army just took over, Churches and other religious venues were burned. Atheism was enforced. However, later with all its oppression still present country still turned into secular state. Morals in those old times were very high, yet, at no point there was death sentence for adultery or blasphemy.
And even if we look at Russia today. Here is example:
http://barenakedislam.com/2010/06/21/pregnant-woman-accused-of-adultery-is-stripped-naked-severely-beaten-and-humilitated-by-chechen-muslim-vermin/
Why something like that happened in muslim part of Russia and nothing similar happens in any non-muslim parts of Russia?

Originally posted by Arhael
Why you even bring historical examples? I talk about today.

Lol I gave examples of the biggest dictators in that region in the past few years.

Look at all the dictators who are not Islamic, not even Muslim all around the world.

Look at China, North Korea, and all the human rights abuses and oppression towards women you have there. You could add Islam to the mix there and they would just put a different spin on what they do.

Simliarly you could take Islam out of the places you mentioned, and things would not improve there at all.

Originally posted by Arhael
Exactly "WAS". I am talking about what "IS" happening. Present.

Yes but we learn from history. In the past we've had Christian Crusaders killing, raping and pillaging in the name of Jesus. Now we've got other things happening in the name of Islam.

I don't see how that makes Islam as a Religion worse just because it's happening "now."

Originally posted by Arhael
And I am not concerned with such trivial things like Alchohol restriction.

So why are you pointing that out then like it's supposed to be some human right abuse or something. Cannabis is illegal in the West which isn't any more harmful than Alcohol.

Originally posted by Arhael
I am talking about serious matters. About death sentences and other punishments for adultery or other blasphemies. About mitigating sentence for honor killings. About laws enforcing modest dress. About the fact that it is mostly women that get punished for seemingly trivial things.

Jewish law also has stoning as the punishment for adultery and for blasphemy!!! So is Judasim also an inherently bad religion???

But Jesus(pbuh) says let he who is without sin throw the first stone. Whilst Muhammad(pbuh) said just stone those who self confess to doing such an act 4 times, and even discouraged confessing to it. (In other words only apply the punishment if the person themselves wants to be punished for their sin.)

I've already told you honor killing have nothing to do with religion. They won't stop if you get rid of religion today.

Oh enforcing Modest dress.. Jeez we better invade them now. Like we did Afghanistan, where most the women just choose to dress just as modestly anyway.

As for women getting abused the most, jeez could that be to do with Uneducated and Indecent men being the ones who are ruling the place??

Look the societies your referring to are mixing a lack of education (in their religion and in general) to living in a society that's less than civil as it is and where the general standard of living is below standard.

In other words they're just backwards and oppressed. They mix in the odd thing they hear from Religion in that mix, and your trying to use that to prove their religion is inherently bad.

Learned Prominent Muslim scholars don't condone honor killings or killing for adultery in the circumstances in which it's being done, or double standards and oppression towards women.

So your wrong about it being the religion causing these things.

Originally posted by Arhael
How many non-Islam countries exersised adultery and blasphemy death sentence? Focus on this specific question. Lets see how many countries you will find that exercised death sentence for adultery.

And yet I've just told you Jeiwsh law also prescribes death for adultery. So your proving nothing about Islam as a religion. Your just proving a lot of muslim societies today are backwards and uneducated.

Originally posted by Arhael
A survey conducted by the Pew Research Center found relatively widespread popular support for stoning as a punishment for adultery among Muslims in Egypt (82% of respondents in favor of the punishment), Jordan (70% in favor), Indonesia (42% in favor), Pakistan (82% favor) and Nigeria (56% in favor).[34]

Nigeria. Not Asia. Half populated by christians, half - by muslims.
Why death sentences are practiced only on muslim side? Why I keep finding this kind of news?
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2002/may21/21.34.html

Soviet Union - one of the brightest examples of oppression.
When Red Army just took over, Churches and other religious venues were burned. Atheism was enforced. However, later with all its oppression still present country still turned into secular state. Morals in those old times were very high, yet, at no point there was death sentence for adultery or blasphemy.
And even if we look at Russia today. Here is example:
http://barenakedislam.com/2010/06/21/pregnant-woman-accused-of-adultery-is-stripped-naked-severely-beaten-and-humilitated-by-chechen-muslim-vermin/
Why something like that happened in muslim part of Russia and nothing similar happens in any non-muslim parts of Russia?

Oh please refrain from surveys of people's opinions. None of my family in Pakistan took part in any of these surveys, and I can guarantee you none of them would approve of the punishment being enforced. Lol especially not under their corrupt politicians and law enforcers who they hate and want rid of.

Hey I know a place called Texas which is Christian and supposedly civilized in which people get executed A LOT with less than convincing evidence of their crimes.

Just try to put things in perspective Archael, and stop the agenda against a specific religion. That kind of thinking won't save the world from it's current condition.

Trust me all the countires you've mentioned have far bigger problems than Religion. Like I said Pakistan is filled with Corrupt leaders and law enforcers. And guess what? They are all Secular!

So going by your way of thinking that should prove Secularism is inherently evil.

And yet I've just told you Jeiwsh law also prescribes death for adultery. So your proving nothing about Islam as a religion.

Your just proving a lot of muslim societies today are backwards and uneducated.

Just try to put things in perspective Archael, and stop the agenda against a specific religion. That kind of thinking won't save the world from it's current condition.

^ Don't worry about it. All I'm asking is to keep things in perspective. If it was just influence of Religion then I would also condone those things but like you can see I do not.

And as you know extreme people not only of Religion but also of more secular ideologies also have done terrible things in the name of their ideology.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
^ Don't worry about it. All I'm asking is to keep things in perspective. If it was just influence of Religion then I would also condone those things but like you can see I do not.

And as you know extreme people not only of Religion but also of more secular ideologies also have done terrible things in the name of their ideology.

Yet, I am still see that historically adultery death punishment is most common in Islam.
Made some research. Christianity New Statement has no death punishment mentioned and there is an example of Jesus refusing to stone woman to death. Yet, Old Statement, which is sacred for both Christians and Jews promotes death punishment quite clearly.
Quran has no death punishment mentioned for adultery. Yet, there are several hadiths (some of which are posted by ennin) depicting Muhammad executing adulterers by stoning to death.

This quote is not mine:
"The Quran that we have has no verse sanctioning stoning of adulterers to death. Yet, it has been a deeply-rooted tradition in Islamic societies right from the beginning of Islam. The tradition originated from Prophet Muhammad's dealing with adulterers in his lifetime. There are multiple authentic hadiths (deeds and sayings of Prophet Muhammad, who, in Islam, is considered the most ideal human being of all time), which give vivid accounts of how Prophet Muhammad had ordered stoning of adulterers to death on multiple occasions, and how they were carried out."

I would like your opinion on that. So how true are those hadiths? Why is it not religion's fault, if the Prophet himself exercised it? Why you call societies with death sentences according to Sharia law "backwards and uneducated", if they are presumably following original traditions?

I desperately try not to be offensive. But this kind of information keeps popping up, when I brows internet. And it is clear that people that follow Quran alone don't tend to support death punishment as it is not supported by Quran. But these "Hadiths" seem bringing contradiction because of which so many countries exercise death penalties on religious ground.
Indeed as you say culture is to be blamed on first place. But we cannot say the same about Muhammad because his actions were committed in the name of the God and are supposed to be untainted by culture influence.

Originally posted by Digi
Sam, that is among the creepiest things I've ever read. Maybe you're a rape-minded creep, but it is not a serious thought in most minds.

Also, there's actually a fair amount of evidence that women's sex drive is as powerful or more powerful than men. The societal narratives surrounding the genders and sex just lead us to different conclusions. Even more surprisingly, the gap between men and women in the realm of sexual abuse is not as wide as is popularly believed:
http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

We're products of evolution, and sex is basically the prime directive. It makes sense that it's not a one-sided affair.

Y'know I think you may have to be careful when reading studies sometimes. For example when they say 'acting aggresively' or 'acts of aggression', what does that mean? That could be just snapping at somebody, sometimes you need to take studies with a pinch of salt because they don't always tell the whole story.

Not saying I disagree just saying.....

Originally posted by Arhael
I actually got sort of provoked because the author of the topic was providing actual stories with quotes of Mohammad that support killing and "no choice" ideology. Yet, I am sure that all those extreme stories are not in the Quran including killing for changing religion or adultery.

Yet, I am still see that historically adultery death punishment is most common in Islam.
Made some research. Christianity New Statement has no death punishment mentioned and there is an example of Jesus refusing to stone woman to death. Yet, Old Statement, which is sacred for both Christians and Jews promotes death punishment quite clearly.
Quran has no death punishment mentioned for adultery. Yet, there are several hadiths (some of which are posted by ennin) depicting Muhammad executing adulterers by stoning to death.

This quote is not mine:
"The Quran that we have has no verse sanctioning stoning of adulterers to death. Yet, [b]it has been a deeply-rooted tradition in Islamic societies right from the beginning of Islam. The tradition originated from Prophet Muhammad's dealing with adulterers in his lifetime. There are multiple authentic hadiths (deeds and sayings of Prophet Muhammad, who, in Islam, is considered the most ideal human being of all time), which give vivid accounts of how Prophet Muhammad had ordered stoning of adulterers to death on multiple occasions, and how they were carried out."

I would like your opinion on that. So how true are those hadiths? Why is it not religion's fault, if the Prophet himself exercised it? Why you call societies with death sentences according to Sharia law "backwards and uneducated", if they are presumably following original traditions?

I desperately try not to be offensive. But this kind of information keeps popping up, when I brows internet. And it is clear that people that follow Quran alone don't tend to support death punishment as it is not supported by Quran. But these "Hadiths" seem bringing contradiction because of which so many countries exercise death penalties on religious ground.
Indeed as you say culture is to be blamed on first place. But we cannot say the same about Muhammad because his actions were committed in the name of the God and are supposed to be untainted by culture influence. [/B]

Well the punishment is in Islamic law. As it is in Jewish Law. However whilst Jesus (pbuh) who was a more spiritual Prophet said "Let he who is without sin throw the first stone", Muhammad(pbuh) only ever carried out the punishment when the man admitted to the sin himself.

He actually admitted it once, and Muhammad(pbuh) turned away, twice- he turned away again, three times he still turned away (clearly discouraging admitting the sin) then fourth time the punishment was carried out. And Muhammad(pbuh) spoke highly of the person afterwards.

What's interesting is that Jesus(pbuh) never denied that is the punishment for adultery. He just said who are you people to point out an adulterer? When your all sinners! Hence the "Let he who is without sin throw the first stone."

Whilst Muhammad(pbuh) who unlike Jesus(pbuh) lived to become a head of state, also did not deny that punishment but like I said did not exactly encourage or seek it out either. He only did that when there was a self confession. And even then only when they were persistent on confessing.

And Muhummad (pbuh) certainly did not go around looking for pregnant women to target for the punishment.

Also your right the punishment of stoning to death is not deemed important enough to be mention in the Quran.

^ Tariq Ramadan actually calls for stoning to death and all physical punishments to be completely abolished. Simply because they are being terribly misused and not very applicable in today's circumstances anyway.

Contrary to common belief Islam is a very flexible Religion to be applied appropriately to the time and society people live in.

It's more guidance (than a strict set of rules that can never change) to be adapted to different situations.

This is in your imagination only anti-Islamic

You are afraid of the truth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YRV_LiHIZU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1jBBTt9ZGo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y0jZRRinZM

There are lots and lots
You can interview them personally and talk to them about the reason to convert to Islam

Use your mind to understand
Before it's too late

There are places in Burma today where Buddhist majorities are raping and killing members of the Muslim minority.

This is a fact of non-Muslims
Claim to freedom and peace
But
The truth is otherwise
Hatred and deep hatred against Islam

But look at Islamic law

Murder
Islam in several cases

1 -Kill the infidels and the polytheists in the Holy Qur'an for several specific reasons and specific conditions

Example
If someone assaults you and kill your children and your relatives and your package from your country by force
What will you do?

This exactly happened in the time of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him

Polytheists and infidels tortured new Muslims unjustly

Killing infidels owners of the Messenger of Allah, without the right

Prevent the infidels from Muslim food and drink without the right

Infidels and take their money home without the right

Get out the infidels of Mecca, the Prophet without the right

Imagine with me all these terrible acts occurred

Only because they are Muslims

Therefore, the revelation came through Jibreel to the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him

State in the Holy Qur'an

Must fight the polytheists as mohammed they killed unduly

But
You mohammed you the right to kill them

36. Verily, the number of months with Allah is twelve months (in a year), so was it ordained by Allah on the Day when He created the heavens and the earth; of them four are Sacred, (i.e. the 1st, the 7th, the 11th and the 12th months of the Islamic calendar). That is the right religion, so wrong not yourselves therein, and fight against the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) collectively , as they fight against you collectively. But know that Allah is with those who are Al-Muttaqun

But
The peaceful infidels should not fight them or kill them at all

We have to talk to them about the message of Islam to respect

8. Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion and did not drive you out of your homes. Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equity.

2 - Application of the limits of God (adultery) by stoning

3 - One person was killed unjustly is here to punish the offender
The killing of a believer intentionally,
(93) But whoever kills a believer intentionally – his recompense is Hell, wherein he will abide eternally, and All h has become angry with him and has cursed him and has prepared for him a great punishment.
4 –
defense of itself (in the case of the offender carrying a gun or a knife)
The offender wants to kill you and your children and steal your home
Here
Than that for the inevitable

-So sharia is there to "make" people religious. It's just guidance for society to live by. Guidance to form a society based on truth, justice the muslim way.

-, With no one to judge someone with murder without proof of the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allah may Allah bless him and his family and him.
And a death sentence for the word called when Muslim scholars to "apostasy", what is apostasy? What is apostasy?
What is the rule of the apostate?
First, apostasy ... Is the disbelief after Islam.
Second: What is apostasy ...
Divided the things that you get the apostasy into four sections:
A - rose in to belief, such as polytheism or deny the status of fixed qualities or proof of the child to God, it is believed that it is an apostate unbeliever.
B - rose in words, gain Allaah or insulting the Prophet peace be upon him.
C - rose deeds, such as dumping the Koran in a dirty place; because to do so disregard the Word of God Almighty, it is non-ratification of the Principality, as well as to an idol or worship of the sun or the moon.
D - apostasy doing it, like leaving all the rites of religion, and stay away from the final work.
Third: What is the rule of the apostate?
If you wear a Muslim, and who fulfills the conditions of apostasy - selected adult of sound mind - missed his blood, and kill Imam - Muslim governor - or his deputy - Kalkadhi - not washed and prayed for should not be buried with Muslims.
The evidence for killing an apostate is because the Prophet peace be upon him: "Whoever changes his religion, kill him," Bukhari (2794). What is meant by religion ie Islam.
And the Prophet peace be upon him: "The blood of a Muslim who bears witness that there is no god but Allah and I am the Messenger of Allaah except in three cases: self-esteem, and previously married adulterer, and his religion outgoing junctions of the group," Bukhari and Muslim 6878 1676
See encyclopedia jurisprudence 22/180
Thus it is clear to you is that the killing of the apostate holds order of God as commanded us to obey the Prophet peace be upon him said: {And obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those of you}, The Messenger of Allah may Allah bless him and his family and him to kill the apostate also offer saying: "It is changes his religion, kill him. "
You may need this issue from you to the time of conviction, and to meditate upon, and perhaps you think the question that if a person follow the right and entered it and converted to this religion only right that Allaah has enjoined, then Allow him to leave easily at any time and utter words of kufr that come out of it , Atone Allah and His Messenger and his religion and his book, then do not occur deterrent punishment to him, how will that impact on him and the other entrants in the religion.
Do not you see that this makes the true religion to be followed like a store or shop where a person enters in and out whenever he wants whenever he wants and maybe encourage others to leave the right.
Then this is not a person did not know the right was not exercised in worship, but people knew, March and led worship, no punishment is greater than it deserves, but such a strong governance have not kept only for the person who has not prepared for his benefit because he knew the right and follow the religion, then left him and abandoned him, what the same worse than the same person.
The bottom line answer is that God, who revealed this religion, which is imposed by the rule of the income of the killing, and then abandoned him, and not this provision of the Muslim ideas, suggestions and reasoning, and as long as it also must follow the rule of God as long as We like Lord -allah.

-The crime of adultery with the conditions for the application of punishment (the skin)galdal - stoning)
- Four witnesses to prove the crime of adultery
- Recognition of the same person (adulterer)
- If the person adulterer Single (never married) punishment (skin-algald)
- If the person is an adulterer (married) punishment (of stoning to death)
- These conditions are in fact of God's mercy
- Discipline and punishment for non-married
- And repent and escape the fire in the afterlife (for married)
- And we must see people, even the death adulterer does not do anyone like him
- The limits of God should be applied to any person who can not touch them

- God says in the Holy Qur'an
- (1) [This is] a surah which We have sent down and made [that within it] obligatory and revealed therein verses of clear evidence that you might remember
(2) The [unmarried] woman or [unmarried] man found guilty of sexual intercourse - lash each one of them with a hundred lashes, and do not be taken by pity for them in the religion of Allah, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a group of the believers witness their punishment
(3) The fornicator does not marry except a [female] fornicator or polytheist, and none marries her except a fornicator or a polytheist, and that has been made unlawful to the believers
(4) And those who accuse chaste women and then do not produce four witnesses - lash them with eighty lashes and do not accept from them testimony ever after. And those are the defiantly disobedient
(5) Except for those who repent thereafter and reform, for indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful
(6) And those who accuse their wives [of adultery] and have no witnesses except themselves - then the witness of one of them [shall be] four testimonies [swearing] by Allah that indeed, he is of the truthful
(7) And the fifth [oath will be] that the curse of Allah be upon him if he should be among the liars
(8) But it will prevent punishment from her if she gives four testimonies [swearing] by Allah that indeed, he is of the liars
(9) And the fifth [oath will be] that the wrath of Allah be upon her if he was of the truthful
(10) And if not for the favor of Allah upon you and His mercy ... and because Allah is Accepting of repentance and Wise

- And also the famous incident at the time of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him

- And the adulteress woman came to the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him and confessed to the crime and then enjoined by the Prophet to return and then give birth and then breastfed her child for two years and then came to the Prophet and established the limit and the penalty

From 'Imraan ibn Husayn, may Allah be pleased with (the woman from Juhaynah came to the Prophet a child of adultery, she said: Yanpi God I was led aggravated Ali called the Messenger of Allah wali said: best of it If you put I missed it and he did that he ordered the reveal by her clothes and then he ordered stoned to death, then blessings by Umar ibn al-Khattab said: Call upon God has weighed Yanpi Prophet said: She has repented if divided among the seventy of the people of the city to Usathm Are there better than that excelled herself to God) Narrated by Muslim
عن عمران بن الحصين رضي الله عنهما ( ان امرأه من جهينه أتت النبي وهي حبلى من الزنا فقالت : يانبي الله أصبت حدا فأقمه علي فدعا رسول الله وليها فقال : أحسن اليها فاذا وضعت فأتني بها ففعل فأمر بها فشكت عليها ثيابها ثم أمر بها فرجمت ثم صلى عليها فقال عمر بن الخطاب : أتصلي عليها يانبي الله وقد زنت فقال النبي : لقد تابت توبه لو قسمت بين سبعين من أهل المدينه لوسعتهم وهل وجدت أفضل من أن أجادت بنفسها لله ) رواه مسلم

- There is one case of Muslim was not punish the crime of adultery
- There is no four witnesses - did not admit to the crime

The solution here

Sincere repentance of the adulterer and the determination not to go back again and will accept the repentance of God
And speed to good deeds

-God put laws to these limits in order to correct the community and
And that person thinks a thousand times before doing any heinous crime and is located under penalty of law
And it becomes a lesson for each person

In this matter
From the perspective of any true Muslim
Believes will be a final

The desire to implement Islamic law in all matters of life
The lack of separation between the Islamic religion and the state

In the Holy Qur'an and the Hadith
Solutions to all problems of society

Many here
Wants to change the details of Islam
To comply with the desires and personal porn and the corruption of society
And manipulated and deceived here and there

Learner and scientists is different from the ignorant
So
Must the ignorant
ask

does not analyze Islam on the profile of mood

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtFOl92stN4

Is it permissible to medication, including the campus of God?

The greatness of the sacrifice of Prophet Mohammad that he did not leave anything except tell us about it, that it is halaal, encouraged us to do if it is haram forbade him, and now live with some of the discoveries about the medical treatment taboos ..
It forbade the Prophet peace be upon him for medical treatment taboos such as alcohol, he said: (Allah sent down the disease, medicine and drug make every disease and treat sickness Vtdaowa and donot tdaowa by mahram) [Narrated by Abu Dawood].

Was asked the Holy Prophet peace be upon him medication for alcohol, he said: (It is not a remedy but it is a disease) [Narrated by Muslim]. And we know for sure today many injured him for the kinds of wines and alcohol, and enough to know that in Britain alone die every year due to addiction to alcohol more than (200) thousand people!

Extends the effects of alcohol bad for all the organs of the body and concentrated most of the effects in the nervous system. When the wine is absorbed in the stomach and moves through the blood to the brain, it disrupts the functioning of the organs and the brain loses the ability to balance and affect the respiratory centers of the brain and may lead to death.
The delicate and complex organs in the body are most affected by alcohol, sentence nerve, liver and endocrine glands, which causes serious disturbances have wine. Starts since the influence of alcohol drinking on the mouth, lips and tongue may appear runny or salivary dryness of the tongue, and may lead to cancer of the tongue. Alcohol also causes the expansion of the esophagus, blood vessels, leading to serious lesions. Recent studies also showed that most people with cancer of the esophagus are alcoholics.

The impact of alcohol on the stomach will cause the congestion of the mucous membrane and an increase in secretions of hydrochloric acid, resulting in the injury of chronic stomach ulcers, it may develop and lead to cancer of the stomach.
For the intestines and also when taking intoxicants get serious infections, and get shortness of absorption, as well as movement disorder and Chnjha.
We find the most serious impact of the share of the liver, where alcohol abuse leads to poisoning of the liver, and Greasiness and inflation. It is not surprising to know that in France, for example die every year more than twenty thousand people from cirrhosis of the liver Algola resulting from the abuse of alcohol.
The heart also is not in isolation from the influence of alcohol, abused alcohol, we find one who disturbed his heart is not stable, and an increase in blood pressure affect the heart, leading to hardening of the arteries and to the fatal stroke.

The body is addicted to alcohol have lower immunity and resistance against diseases, making it easier for viruses to storm and destroy the body without any resistance. From here we have a clearer prophetic wisdom in the prohibition of alcohol, honest and evident sincerity of our words of the Holy Prophet peace be upon him: (Every intoxicant is wine and all wine is haram) [Narrated by Muslim].

It also proved the influence of alcohol on the fetus, a woman, which deals with alcohol, this wine enters the blood and absorbed by the fetus and may be affected seriously disfigured morally and mentally. And medical research has shown that drinking alcohol affects boys They find mostly vintage addicts. So the influence of alcohol extends to the descendants of the addict and his descendants, and here we find the Prophet's prohibition of alcohol no matter how small the damage to pay for rights.
Rahim says the Prophet peace be upon him: (What intoxicates in large quantities) [Narrated by Tirmidhi].

So what is forbidden by Allah and the Messenger is an injury to man, and commanded by God and His Messenger, the good and benefit a lot. Almighty says: (. And whatever the Messenger has given you - take; and what he has forbidden you - refrain from. And fear Allah; indeed, Allah is severe in penalty) [Hashr: 7].

Muhammad wasn't a prophet... take that.