Originally posted by TheGodKillerUnless in this thread the Worlogog is scattered across the Omniverse, and Extant needs to jump around to find it mid-fight, you have no idea what you're talking about.
That is precisely what I mean by "using in conjunction" . It seems that you also didn't read the very next sentence .
Originally posted by Galan007
by having the power to do so?This leads me to believe that you may not know what you're talking about. The chair was not used to help construct the universe. It literally had nothing to do with it.
Prove that they have the power to do so . Otherwise this becomes an NFL fallacy .
Also , most of my knowledge about Extant w/ Worlogog feats is based off the Respect Thread you yourself made :
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t443316.html
Originally posted by Philosophía
Unless in this thread the Worlogog is scattered across the Omniverse, and Extant needs to jump around to find it mid-fight, you have no idea what you're talking about.
If the latest incarnations of the characters are being used here , then the team probably doesn't even have the Worlogog here .
Originally posted by TheGodKillertheir feats speak for themselves.
Prove that they have the power to do so . Otherwise this becomes an NFL fallacy .Also , most of my knowledge about Extant w/ Worlogog feats is based off the Respect Thread you yourself made :
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t443316.html
Funny that in my thread I flat out stated that extant used the 'gog alone to create the universe. the chair, again, had nothing to do with that.
Originally posted by Galan007
their feats speak for themselves.Funny that in my thread I flat out stated that extant used the 'gog alone to create the universe. the chair, again, had nothing to do with that.
I doubt that any of them has the power to capitalize on MJJ's weakness .
Also , in your thread :
Originally posted by Galan007
Extant comes back in time, and the heroes find that he has already taken possession of the Mobius chair, and that he is assembling the Worlogog at the end of existence:Extant reappears with the Worlogog/Mobius chair infused with his being...
Extant then erases the moment in time where The Flash (Jay) gained his super-speed, (Extant also pwns Dr. Fate as well):
Extant pwns the entire JSA at once, and destroys Hourman's time vessel:
Metron was then helpless to watch, as Extant creates his own Universe:
If left unchecked, this Universe would destroy the rest of existence:
Continued....
Originally posted by TheGodKillerI doubt that any of them has the power to capitalize on MJJ's weakness .
If Matrix/Merlyn could not, neither can anyone else.
It was noted in the arc, that without doubt,
had the Fury not been able to stop Jaspers,
the Omniverse would have been his and not a damn thing anyone could do about it.
To strengthen the Omniversal guardians all powerful Merlyn's words,
we have Cobweb who literally witnessed a future where Jaspers was
not stopped by the Fury.
Of course, exactly what Merlyn said would happen, happened.
In Marvel comics, nothing but the Fury could stop Jaspers,
that's the character, that's the story, that's what it is.
Heck, even in the last arc (Die by the Sword) the stories the same. 🙂
MJJ solos.
Originally posted by TheGodKillerYes . That makes him even more powerful .
In the Die by the Sword arc,
MJJ didn't display any of Fury's abilities that MJJ didn't have already:
Trans-dimensional teleportation
Adaptation
Uber Physical durability
(then again, he doesn't need Teleportation
since his warp expands to eventually reach other universes,
he doesn't need uber Adaptation since in his warp he's "God" so all adapt to his will,
he doesn't need Physical durability
since he can reform/restructure himself instantly for lulz) ... he enjoys this actually.
Anyway ...
The only meaning the Fury had in MJJ's character was sub-conscious influence.
This compelled Jaspers to create facsimiles of the Fury, (Die by Sword)
and alter his arm into Fury's blaster canon in HOM which he never used. (years prior)
*** note ***
Don't get me wrong, I'm a realist, it's possible he had these Fury abilities,
but didn't get a chance to display them.
Originally posted by Galan007
Let's be honest, the amalgam wasn't really that impressive at all--certainly not as impressive as Jaspers 'proper' at least.
I don't see how he was unimpressive in the least bit . He retained his original powerset , and there was no indication that his powers had been diluted or reduced .
I'd say he was at the very least just as powerful , as he had been portrayed in his original appearance in 616 continuity . In fact , w/ the Fury(the only plot-device that could have withstood his power) having been melded with him , he was possibly even more powerful than before .
^^^ 👆
The whole story (concerning MJJ)
revolved around the end of the Omniverse once again, (on panel)
and bios confirm that's the cake JJ was going to eat.
Grant it, plot (Fury) stopped Jaspers once again.
But it seemed he was headed in the same direction.
Although I agree, pertaining to cosmic scale feats,
Claremont didn't have JJ doing to much,
unlike Moore who had JJ becoming the universe.
But that's beside the point when Roma and even narration panels,
clearly stated that the Omniverse was about to get wrecked.
Well, at-least he showed us that JJ can take a ridiculous beating,
even getting his soul blown out of his body (disintegrating his brain)
and still keep laughing, and cracking sarcastic pokes of fun.
That aside, like I said,
I never felt JJ got an upgrade from the amalgamation,
if he did,
he didn't show it.
To me, it's the same 616 JJ as before. (God withIN his warp)
** Edit ** Although again, it's quite possible that JJ had Fury's abilities,
and simply was not given a chance to display them.
Originally posted by TheGodKillerhow powerful you think he was intended to be is inconsequential. I'm talking about on panel feats--and the amalgam certainly lacked in that department.
I don't see how he was unimpressive in the least bit . He retained his original powerset , and there was no indication that his powers had been diluted or reduced .I'd say he was at the very least just as powerful , as he had been portrayed in his original appearance in 616 continuity . In fact , w/ the Fury(the only plot-device that could have withstood his power) having been melded with him , he was possibly even more powerful than before .
Either way, this debate is already off track. I'm still siding with team 1-- my opinion there won't change. 🙂
