Originally posted by One-PunchIt's still a shortcut though.
In a neutral universe things like hyperspace and the speed force are assumed to work the same way as in their respective universes. Otherwise versus matches would be pointless with characters like the Flash and Quasar who get their power from a source that technically doesn't exist in a neutral universe.
Originally posted by One-Punch
In a neutral universe things like hyperspace and the speed force are assumed to work the same way as in their respective universes. Otherwise versus matches would be pointless with characters like the Flash and Quasar who get their power from a source that technically doesn't exist in a neutral universe.
Hyperspace is a dimension while the speed force is to the flash's what the sun is to superman.
Originally posted by One-PunchSurfer accepted it too. That's why he used a wormhole.
Actions supersede statements. If Thor states he can never beat Hulk in one comic, and then beats him in another comic, which takes precedent?
Oh really?Surfer didn't use hyperspace.
In fact the word "hyperspace" was never mentioned in the panels I was referring to. Surfer hit warp speed on his own.
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_Vol3-007.jpg
"A gaping hole appears to rip open the fabric of reality itself".
The comic states "[b]Galaxies streaked by in a blur." Our own galaxy is 120,000 light years wide. Which means Surfer sped through hundreds of thousands of light years in the span of a "blur." So how long is a blur?You tell me.
That's why it's not his own speed but hyperspace travel. Unless you think surfer can't see where he is flying all the time at that speed.
The comic also states Surfer reached his destination before his mind could "comprehend the beauty" of the journey.
Not really.I think a few seconds is actually very generous. [/B]
Originally posted by psycho gundam
You're also equating DC's universal size to Marvel's. DC's literally has a shell around theirs which goes against what the understanding of what constitutes the known universe: a limitless void with a cluster of relatively close objects (compared to how stupidly expansive the void is)
Originally posted by One-Punch
In a neutral universe things like hyperspace and the speed force are assumed to work the same way as in their respective universes. Otherwise versus matches would be pointless with characters like the Flash and Quasar who get their power from a source that technically doesn't exist in a neutral universe.
Originally posted by psycho gundamDC's universe, unless changed and I missed it in some way, is both surrounded by its shell -and- is ever-expanding into the void.
You're also equating DC's universal size to Marvel's. DC's literally has a shell around theirs which goes against what the understanding of what constitutes the known universe: a limitless void with a cluster of relatively close objects (compared to how stupidly expansive the void is)
Originally posted by Juntai
No. That's not what it says. It says once he surpasses lightspeed, he enters hyperspace. Are you reading the same pictures?
There are multiple instances where Surfer surpasses light speed without going into hyperspace. Like here how he flies out of a galaxy in less than a panel: http://i.imgur.com/uJidnIu.jpg
Hyperspace is one of this methods of travel, he has others including using black holes as portals, teleportation, cross dimensional travel, or just straight up flying. Unless it's explicitly made clear he's using hyperspace to travel you can't assume every time he flies somewhere he's using it.
So here's the gist of this thread...
Superman using black holes doesn't count as a short cut, but Surfer using hyperspace does.
Superfans are willing dismiss all of Surfers speed feats by wrongly assuming they're all done via hyperspace, even though they clearly aren't.
If you're going to twist the rules and rig the thread in favour of Superman at least make your hypocrisy less obvious; save the few crumbs of credibility you have left on this forum.
Originally posted by Juntai
No. That's not what it says. It says once he surpasses lightspeed, he enters hyperspace. Are you reading the same pictures?
Yes i read those scans cause i posted them, ill post a couple quotes:
"The silver surfer can achieve speeds surpassing the speed of light.....to enter hyperspace"
"entering hyperspace when he EXCEEDS light speed"
Originally posted by One-Punch
So here's the gist of this thread...Superman using black holes doesn't count as a short cut, but Surfer using hyperspace does.
Superfans are willing dismiss all of Surfers speed feats by [b]wrongly
assuming they're all done via hyperspace, even though they clearly aren't.If you're going to twist the rules and rig the thread in favour of Superman at least make your hypocrisy less obvious; save the few crumbs of credibility you have left on this forum. [/B]
I don't know why you are crying foul here.
Originally posted by abhilegend
What are the best travelling speed feats under herald level category? Some of those which come into mind are1. Kal-L and Kal-El taking SBP from somewhere near Oa(Sector 0) to the red sun of krypton9sector 2813). Upon calculating it comes around 19 quadrillion times lightspeed.
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/toomuchforgls4.jpg
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/3sup.jpg
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/3sup2.jpg
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/3sup3.jpg2. Nova going 7.43 trillions time lightspeed
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Nova2/novaspeed.jpg
3. Surfer going half million lightyears in seconds which makes him 1.6 trillion times lightspeed fast
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/3076/silversurfervol3006us8.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/281/silversurfervol3007nn1.jpgSo what other character can come close to these levels of travel speeds? No PC superman.
I picked that scene with surfer in the very first post. Just the baiting of Superman fans with comparison to Superman's feat was disputed.
And there is no implication of Superman using black holes as shortcut in this feat. That's just a made up theory at this point.
Originally posted by carver9
Is there any proof Surfer used Hyperspace during his showings? Or is thus just people guessing?
Im still waiting on your proof that Glads and Hyp where "fighting FTL." The scan you said nothing about that..which leads me to believe you just made it up and tried to sell it like a used car with a bad engine.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Its really too bad, no one can refute Clark saying "Went through a few black holes to cleanse himself"When you can erase that off panel. Let me know.
Till then this is a laughable cry for attention.
