SBP vs Phoenix 5

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Not in the slightest and im guessing youve read Thanos Quest, the Infinity Gauntlet etc because if you had you'd see that the IG is uncontrollable in terms of the power eventually makes a user lose touch with their humanity, they think they know best, they get arrogant and think that because of their power and level of omniscience they can do no wrong. However they still have access to the full range of the IG's abilities with a thought, it is an inanimate artifact.

A Phoenix host however is channeling a sentient being, not just a tool tapped into a power reserve like an IG user. They are channeling the power of a being that manifests to perform "Phoenix Work", that has an agenda and as we've seen on panel has no qualms turning on a host if their actions are against the Forces agenda (aoa jean in uncanny x-force) the Force embodies passion, the passion of rebirth as the Big Bang and of destruction as the Big Crunch, that duality causes inner turmoil within hosts making the power consume the host and lash out wildly and in cases too much of a sensory overload to do a thing with ( see Diamanda Nero in X-men: Phoenix, Emma Frost in Phoenix:Endsong, Hope in AvX4)

So the IG is uncontrollable in that it cant be wielded for long without effecting a hosts decision making, giving them a superiority complex where once they were beneficent (See Adam Warlock)However its full abilities are available to a user.

A Phoenix host never has complete autonomy, they can be taken over by the force, have the power turned against them, be compromised by what the force embodies and lose their minds or find the power too much to cope with and cant do a thing.

Very different.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Throughout their appearances in various comics , the gems have been hinted to be sentient .
And Uatu's commentary during the Hood's ransacking of the Infinity Gems , combined with Champion needing to train Titania in the proper usage of the Power gem , indicate that a user needs to have some basic level of experience with such type of power , in order to wield the gems to their true potential . Something which the Hood lacked , and Titania lacked until Champion trained her .
The original point still stands . The IG , like the Phoenix , is an uncontrollable cosmic force , and Reed's unwillingness to even try and use it against the PF in battle , and his reason for not doing so , clearly indicate an IG "host" wouldn't possess complete autonomy either .

Uncontrollable in a different sense and i believe my last post made that quite clear. You took a vague, statement from Reed and generalized. Thats not good enough.

Furthermore the functioning and performance of the IG versus the individual gems has been shown in continuity to be different as well. My original comment that sparked your response was related to the IG which as a complete item has been shown to function as i previously described. Beg to differ? Reference your scenes of contention and we'll keep this going.

The IG is an artifact hooked up to an energy reserve, its uncontrollable in the sense that it creates a superiority complex, it dehumanizes users and makes them cold and distant in their decisions and therefore their application of its power. It has never been shown to be uncontrollable in the sense that its powers and abilities cant be used, instead, that it cant be used without effecting the decisions of the user.

Wielding the Phoenix Force however opens hosts up to possession, it creates an inner struggle in hosts that can impair their performance, the power itself has been found to be uncontrollable with hosts suffering from sensory overload and being unable to function or overtaken by the destructive urges of the power they channel and just lashing out in bloodlust.

Just to reiterate, the IG is uncontrollable in the sense that it cant be long used without compromising decision making. The scale of power leads to a superiority complex and how a user decides to use the power is effected not the abilities themselves.

The Force is uncontrollable in that its a sentient entity with its own agenda, a power that eventually creates destructive urges and inner turmoil, before making hosts lose control of the actual power itself.

Different.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Uncontrollable in a different sense and i believe my last post made that quite clear. You took a vague, statement from Reed and generalized. Thats not good enough.

Furthermore the functioning and performance of the IG versus the individual gems has been shown in continuity to be different as well. My original comment that sparked your response was related to the IG which as a complete item has been shown to function as i previously described. Beg to differ? Reference your scenes of contention and we'll keep this going.

The IG is an artifact hooked up to an energy reserve, its uncontrollable in the sense that it creates a superiority complex, it dehumanizes users and makes them cold and distant in their decisions and therefore their application of its power. It has never been shown to be uncontrollable in the sense that its powers and abilities cant be used, instead, that it cant be used without effecting the decisions of the user.

Wielding the Phoenix Force however opens hosts up to possession, it creates an inner struggle in hosts that can impair their performance, the power itself has been found to be uncontrollable with hosts suffering from sensory overload and being unable to function or overtaken by the destructive urges of the power they channel and just lashing out in bloodlust.

Just to reiterate, the IG is uncontrollable in the sense that it cant be long used without compromising decision making. The scale of power leads to a superiority complex and how a user decides to use the power is effected not the abilities themselves.

The Force is uncontrollable in that its a sentient entity with its own agenda, a power that eventually creates destructive urges and inner turmoil, before making hosts lose control of the actual power itself.

Different.

I don't need to reference any scenes , as all my claims are backed by on-panel evidence . Nobody is forcing you to continue this discussion .

The Phoenix is also a power-source that has never been shown to have powers and abilities that can't be controlled by the user . Colossus' ability to casually rip apart the oceans , just for a dinner date with Kitty , is proof of that . In fact , as we can see from the Jean , Necrom and Vulcan examples , the more experienced the host is with power of such scale , the greater feats they can produce , similar to the IG's examples I gave in the previous reply .

That's something most omnipotence-granting devices do . Their possession in the hands of organic fleshlings like Thanos , Warlock , Nebula will indeed cause them to become egomaniacs on a cosmic scale . Doesn't necessarily imply that the gems themselves cause such a corruption .

The IG is an uncontrollable cosmic force , like the Phoenix . Just as Reed stated .

The point still stands .

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
More pretentious waffle.

At first i thought you were just a butt-ravaged troll, but now i seriously do think you believe your delusion.

You come on here accusing me of downplaying the significance of Cyclops orders on the showings/power output of the Phoenix 5 in favour of the agenda of the Phoenix Force.

I tell you thats not the case the agenda of the Force was one of many points I put forward and that Cyclops orders was a factor i covered in different words when i referred to how the P5 are following a mission and see themselves as heroes and are acting accordingly.

That should've been the end of the argument. Or at least would have been if i was not dealing with one afflicted by anal trauma. Not satisfied because your point was shown to be redundant and actually addressed, you moved the goal posts to stage another attempt at one-upmanship and basically said ok cool GS but bringing up how other hosts have been effected by the Force is irrelevant to this thread about the Phoenix 5.

I tell you the effects the Force has on a host are common throughout continuity from its introduction to current 2012 continuity, e.g passionate, destructive urges creating an inner struggle for control and a fear to fully unleash, stuff we've seen explicitly with the P5 and yet because the examples i used to support said point were Jean and Rachel, you fallaciously demean the point and try to say its irrelevant. 😬

Now youre ass spurting pretentious paragraph after paragraph accusing me of some imagined nonsense in an attempt to satisfy your ego.

Be objective.

Be mature.

If you place a differing level of significance on the factors that may contribute to the P5's showings then thats fine. But dont be so arrogant to state as fact that your factor is the only one relevant here when continuity and this very story arc shows otherwise.

Enjoy your day 🙂

Avengers Vs X-Men has nothing to do with Magneto killing Jean Grey or Thor using feedback to defeat Phoenix Rachel and even less to do with this topic. Keep convincing yourself that, somehow, it does. When you pretend every new appearance of the Phoenixforce presents you with an opportunity to twist the storyline into a security blanket, you ought to reassess whose butthurt you're trying to deal with.

Wonder why arguments lead towards "you're butthurt" every single time.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
[b]Stop lying/making stuff up. What SPECIFIC CLAIMS did I not address? Put up or shut up.

Stop lying. I provided evidence in every response. I even quoted you a few times to emphasize a point. How can you even say:

with a straight face when I've LITERALLY itemized each reply to each of your points? Only pathological liars or ppl with a poor grasp of reality would say this.

Everyone has an agenda here, mostly minor (fun, boredom, etc). Why would you "feel sorry for me already"when you clearly have one? I guess to a hypocrite, behavior that they can feel sorry about is only visible when it's not them.

And btw, you're the one clearly trying to shove your false beliefs and poor grasp of logic down ppl's throats. Stop being a hypocrite.

There's nothing wrong with stating your character wins. There's something wrong to being a lying hypocritical douche, however.

It's funny you mention the mental asylum when you seem to enjoy talking to walls.

You spread hate by being an obnoxious lying douche. Clear enough for you?

How the heck did I come to Superman???? Reallyyy???

Did you read the multiple freakin quotes/statements I posted above? You USED Superman's top end feats (and ONLY top end feats) as some sort of proof of SBP's HV's intensity. You brought superman here, you dodo.

This is the VERY DEFINITION of cherry picking ABC logic. W/c is not just wrong, it's downright hypocritical.

Again, you don't read what I write, do you? At all. This is such a waste of time. Let me requote:

"2) Because YOU DO FOCUS on the lowest showing among the few he has. You then go about lowballing/undermining it to the best of your ability via your lousy/biased interpretation skills."

You know damn well that the characters have few "feats". You ZERO IN on the one or two LOWEST feat and then use extremely biased and undermining interpretation to make the character weaker even tho there's very little on panel proof supporting what you said.

BTW, when were they "hard pressed against a bunch of heralds?". Post proof pls.

Hm. Rolled eyes. Painful expression on him...

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/blackadamfail3.jpg

Guess this didn't happen to SBP when MM punched him right? rolleyes1

This is circumstantial AND purely speculation. You have no on panel proof that Colossus was down AT ANY TIME. Zero proof.

Do you not understand? YES! There was NOTHING on panel that showed him doing ANYTHING! Not him fighting, not him KO'd not him tackling anyone, not him fighting any other characters.

This means that, due to the lack of evidence to confirm any of our claims, anything either of us says about what happened after Gladiator punched Colossus is pure speculation.. Why is this so hard to understand?

Of course, here comes more meaningless sidetracking on your part. MM being owned by SBP has nothing to do with my point at all. Why do you keep trying to go off on a tangent? You wanna prove MM >> Gladiator in punching power? Go make a thread then. I'm sure there are many who would disagree with you (I happen to see them as at least equals or close enough for it not to be relevant in debates, but hey, that's me).

Me being "new to comics" has nothing to do with logic. Ad Hominem more.

You do know that Colossus was attacked not just by Glads but with a host of Imperial Guard right? Also, what relevance does being attacked by a group have in this debate?? Pls explain.

No it isn't. :facepalm: How does a character having wins or not over another have ANY relevance to whether or not Colossus was KO'd on the panels he wasn't shown??? LOL. Do you know how logic works?

Your argument ALL boils down to Colossus not being seen in a few panels. Thus, it is PURELY speculative and circumstantial. Toss your "logic" to any lawyer/judge and see what they say.

You going off on meaningless tangents all the time IS a waste of time. Hell, this debate has pretty much deteriorated to basic flaming from both sides. W/c is also a damned waste of time.

You know what?

I DARE you to remove ALL personal attacks from your post, remove ALL attempts at tangents, remove ALL "I proved you wrong" claims, remove ALL "I posted facts and you didn't" claims and just actually provide facts via evidence.

We stick to identifying each other's theories and then post rebuttals and then post evidence (either via scans or issue numbers) to prove our rebuttals. Post only logical arguments and counterarguments.

First one to deviate loses.

I'll even let you go first by starting on your next post. Come on, I DOUBLE DAMNED DARE YOU!

I didn't pick and choose at all. I never claimed him being blooded by Thing/Rulk didn't exist or was PIS. I stated that at the high end, he can resist a direct cheapshot blow to the back of the head from one of the hardest hitting high heralds out there like it was nothing. I acknowledge his limited "showings". And I simply pointed out an alternative theory to create reasonable doubt on your theory w/c you keep touting as fact (his durability being low because he got rocked by Thing/Rulk).

The only person who picks and chooses here is you.

"therefor if his durability recieved a downfall of course his punching power and his overall power is weaker as well."

REALLY??? You post some low DURABILITY showings for Thor and that this somehow proves that his striking power has somehow gotten weaker. You phail.

It's funny that you accuse me of double standards when I actually have an explanation specifically for the purpose to explain why it isn't (that it is purely speculative either way). Again, either you have poor reading comprehension or are just so desperate you resort to lying (probably both).

The Surfer can basically do anything he wants with his power cosmic, doesn't mean ppl should go around arguing that he could do anything on top of their heads just cuz Surfer should be able to. Understand?

You can claim that SBP can do this, you might have convincing logic that he might. But until he does, it is a theory at best and not a fact. Get that thru your skull.

Or are you saying that ppl can basically manufacture "feats" by simply pointing out that it SHOULD be within the character's powers and personality to do so? [/B]

been on a vacation again but i am back to adress your bullshit again.

so once again all you do is whine and create personal attacks without adressing the subject of the fight what a surprise.

i am not lying i made points of how SBP is too fast for them, can vaporize emma, pointed out how each of the phoenix 5 got hard pressed fighting guys like gladiator, thing, rulk , thor, when SBP destroyed teams on top of teams with guys like those, all that you ignored and started to use the "no he cant" argument like some child thats pathetic.

and again you resurt to insults and running your mouth blah blah while ignoring all my points, i will say it again how will they be able to counter his speed? how will they be able to counter reality destroying punches? anti monitor busting attack? how will they be able to put his down when he survived a universal blast? you see you just keep ignoring and then ignoring some more and all of my points without anything to back you up only posting trash talk like a retarded child.

nop, i dont have an agenda at all, i just discuss characters once in a while, of course i got my favorite characters however i am not being an A hole unlike you, your agenda is to try and bring down everything that has anything to do with the most popular characters and it can be ok as long as you do it properly and not acting like a douch, at this point you know you are wrong and SBP suppose to take it easily due to speed and far greater power output and damage taking feats, however your agenda is making you an A hole so you have to try and argue even when you are deadly wrong.

poor grasp of logic? so stating SBP survived a universal blast and then tell you what did the phoenix 5 ever do to match that level of output is poor logic? providing SBP outfight 3 flashes at the same time and then tell you what are the fighting speed feats of the phoenix 5 to match that is poor logic? providing SBP cutting and killing heralds with his heat vision, destroy time and reality, bust anti monitor, and then say what are the durability feats of the phoenix 5 to suggest they can take such beating is poor logic? only thing that POOR here is you and your biased laughable agenda as you call it yourself.

where was i lying? i dare you to post me lying, i was stating SBP feats and then stating phoenix 5 feats , after that i concluded how the fight should go by all the showings combined, explain to me genious how the hell brining feats and tie them up is lying??? what a douch.

never tryed to talk to a wall before but a wall is not being so dence and does not state such dumb things, its better to talk to a wall because at the very least you wont here such dumb shit that will make your ears or in your case eyes bleed of stupidity.

i will ask again where did i lie? i dare you to post me lying.

superman is a relevant subject here because he was easily cut by the heat vision of SBP therefor i will bring him and his durability feats.

those are not his high end feats those are his normal feats, unless you believe his normal durability feats to be taken out by a gas station explosion which wont surprise me at all seeing how ignorance walks by your side.

how is it an ABC logic when its a relevance and meassurement tool? do you even know the definition of ABC logic? you joined KMC saw people using the tearm "ABC logic" and started to copy that phrase like a parrot, ABC logic is if i state something like batman beat superman, superman beat doomsday therefor batman beats doomsday, first of all there is such thing as PIS involved then there is plot and many other factors that are involved in the case, however when you got SBP cut superman with his heat vision and kill green lanters with it then its obviously at that level of power, and to meassure that up its only logical to look at the standard durability feats superman possess as a high herakd to realise its a valid feat, of course its too hard for you to grasp because all you do is repeat phrases like a parrot.

wow you are just too dence, i will ask again if a character has 1 feat how the hell is it a low feat? i will ask it in a different way, what durability feats does the phoenix 5 have to suggest the ones i mentioned were low feats? namor got 1 feat of his being humiliated at first by rulk and thing and then taking a shot from thor which in the first place isnt all that of a feat to begin with so what feats does he have to overshadow the fact thing and rulk were litterally stomping on his head?

dude are you being a retard on purpose? how can the 1 and only feat of the character be a low feat? THIS IS his feat unless he got more feats to contredict that 1 feat.

you ask for a proof after i posted it time after time after time? now you are just trolling and trying to strech the argument to see who will give up first you troll, namor hard pressed and litterally stomped by rulk and thing, colossus taken out by a punch from gladiator, cyclops matched and then tackled by gladiator, emma shatter by a strike from thor.

it was not only the face expression but the fact in the next pannel colossus is gone and gladiator is fighting someone else, however with SBP we see his fine in the next pannel unharmed, but again thats just too damn hard for you to grasp with the fanboy glasses on.

but i do, if we see colossus getting punched by gladiator and portrayed as hurt, then in the next panel we see gladiator fighting someone else that clearly means colossus was taken out of the fight otherwise they would keep fighting, by i guess the writer needs to release a special edition to every comics for kids with special needs like yourself, a special issue to cover every ditail by narration something like this.. "wow gladiator punch colossus he is hurt" next panel when gladiator fight someone else "wow notice that gladiator is fighting someone else that means colossus was taken out by him".

i already explained the fact that colossus was punched by gladiator and clearly hurt, and then we see gladiator fighting someone else but no colossus around clearly tells us colossus was out.

i explained the difference between the MM feat and this, after MM punch SBP you see SBP in the next panel just fine and keep fighting, after colossus was punched we dont see him and we see gladiator fight someone else, in case 1 prime was fine just sucker punched, in case 2 colossus was out not sucker punched.

Martial Manhunter bested supoerman in a fist fight, gladiator fell down to hulk and masterson in fist fights case closed.

colossus in that scan was attacked and fighting gladiator 1 vs 1, SBP was owning and fighting half of DC roster, just pointed out the details to burst your buble of any logical similarity between the 2 aside of them being punched by someone, that just shows your level of your mental development, ohhhh prime got punched and colossus got punched therefor they are equel. just facepalm yourself in the head.

you just fail to undersatnd the simple point i was making, i was first of all bursting your buble and explain to you how overall SBP was not owned by MM unlike colossus who was owned by gladiator, aside of the fact colossus was out in the fight while prime wasnt i portray the overall situation of prime being >> MM while there is no evidence to suggest colossus > gladiator, just to burst your buble of the 2 events being similar.

its actually very logically and simple, if you ask the writer that question he will laugh at you and say kid are you retarded?? i showed you gladiator punch colossus into a wall and colossus off balance being hurt, then in the next pannels we see gladiator fight someone else and colossus is out of the picture, isnt it clear enough for you my special child that colossus was phuckin out?

as i explained already you are sitting here all the time and replying me when ever i post, therefor dont give me this "waste of time" crap because we all know i am doing you a favor that i give you something to do with your meaningless time, if you had any value to your time or your life you wouldnt be sitting here 24/7.

Lol thats what i was doing and still doing you bozo, i provided you evidence and feats to explain why SBP will just destroy those 5, the dirty language came after you couldnt handle my argument and started to trash talk like a down syndrome monkey on crack.

you claimed its a low showing, how the hell can that be a low showing when its 1 among 2 fights he had??? and in the other fight he does somewhat of well vs a thor thats being marked as a joke by marvel? and why should 1 feat have more value than the other when there are only 2 of those? riddle me this kid riddle me this!!!!!!!!

i post the fact thor is watered down by marvel and they let everybody one shot him, even guys that couldnt one shot him in the past did it now, therefor yes thor is watered down and right now he is not a good meassurement tool, but again as i pointed out thats 1 feat and there is another 1 where rulk and thing stomp his head so why again should we take feat number 2 over feat number 1?

yeah you are a double standard ape because you bring a very poor logic which can be countered by same logic to the other way around.

wtf? thats the dumbest statement i have ever read, you just admited yourself that surfer can do many things but then you said we shouldnt argue his abilities? thats the thing about KMC we discuss things that a character CAN do, and why is it invalid to use prime feats? if prime cut superman and killed freakin green lanters with his heat vision then why cant we use this power level for his heat vision? you dont make any sense at all you are as dence as children can be.

a theory? a theory??? WTF? so you claim he cant vaporize anyone just because he never did it on panel? if his heat based heat vision can cut superman and KILL green lanters how is that not a proof if he puts his heat vision into that he can vaporize someone on emma level easily?? you basically make a claim of heat vision not being able to vaporize which is again among the dumbest thigns i have ever heard, in that case i bring you the feat of superman vaporizing a lake with his heat vision to prove a heat vision can vaporize, and if SBP has a heat vision to the level it kills heralds he will easily be able to as well vaporize emma who got shattered by thor unless you can provide me emma being more durable than superman or a green lanters.

dude are you that dumb? of course!!!!, if batman never took a shit on panel does that means he never take a shit? SBP never vaporized someone however his heat based heat vision killed heralds therefor if he wants to vaporize someone like emma its just retarded to assume he wouldnt be able to.

english not being my primary language still does not explain your butthurt and the fact i provided evidence as to why prime easily takes it while all you do is talk trash and state dumb shit.

those are feats of 1 host, those are 5 hosts devided by 5 which means each one has 1/5 of the phoenix force which is why heralds were able to handle them like that, see? you admit yourself its a theory like all your other posts which isnt even backed by logic, at the end of the day you have no proof that someone with 1/5 of the phoenix force could or should resist a heat vision on that level, superman easily shitstood supernovas and a half galactical explosion however prime cut him like butter, at the end of the the day you have no proof the phoenix 5 as a whole is even imune to heat and guess what? there is a fight between the phoenix and gladiator and guess what? gladiator effected her ahahaha here goes your theory to the trash can.

i already explained that hjis heat based heat vision is able to cut and kill high heralds, if the heat of his heat vision is powerful enough to kill a high herald then its only logical that if he puts same heat into actually vaporizing he will do it easily to someone like emma, hell i am sure he wont even need to put himself into vaporizing her he will just hit her once and she will be done on the molecular level.

nop, the phoenix force as a whole got effected by gladiators heat vision, 1/5 of the phoenix force resisting a much more powerful heat vision is laughable, a heat vision that the heat is enough to cut superman who survived black holes and half galaxy explosion, or kill a green lantern while he is using his shields is logal enough to assume will easily destroy emma, what durability feats did emma present to suggest she can take it? she was shattered by a hammer strike from thor is anything this shows her durability suck balls, do you believe a strike from thor could kill a green lantern while his shields are on? if a strike from thor shatter her to pieces then a heat vision from prime will destroy her to the molecular levels unless you got feats for her.

nop heat does not empower superman only the sun itself, superman survived nova explosions, planetery explosions, half galaxy explosion, and while the sun empowers him he is still should be durable to whitstand the heat the core of the sun present to him, if a battery empowers you it doesnt mean at higher level of electricity it wont burn you, you can charge your electronic device with electricity however an overload of electricity will just burn the device, the fact that superman survive the core of the sun like nothing is a great evidence and feat as itself.

it has everything to do with the debate, the debate is who will win this and i brought SBP speed as another point for him and another reason as to why he WTF stomp the team.

i adressed every single thing you said while you ignored all my points about his speed durability and power output, what feats of durability did the phoenix 5 present to suggest they will take attacks from prime that can shatter dimensions, reality, time, bust anti monitor, bust a wall made out of 32 green lantern will power, shit stomp ion to a bloody pulp, cut superman like butter.

but its the truth, if you think a person that posts here is fat and smelly thats how you view people on the internet based on yourself, i am actually a stud that will make you shit your pants of shame, but screw that its the internet right? lets pretend you are james bond.

but you didnt provide any proof at all, you admited yourself your entire argument is based on speculations and theories which dont even make sense at all, i countered them all and brought you feats of prime to present him stomping the team which you cant counter.

keep running your mouth all you like at the end of the day you know you got your ass served.

tl:

Anyway SBP stomps.

Originally posted by red sabre
but its the truth, if you think a person that posts here is fat and smelly thats how you view people on the internet based on yourself, i am actually a stud that will make you shit your pants of shame, but screw that its the internet right? lets pretend you are james bond.

by the way while i was on a vacation i missed a lot of comics however i went to the ownage thread and saw thor recently hurt namor with a hammer strike Lol so there goes your feat of namor taking a shot from thor to the back of his head, now there are 2 feats to contredict that therefor that feat was PIS 😆

Originally posted by red sabre
by the way while i was on a vacation i missed a lot of comics however i went to the ownage thread and saw thor recently hurt namor with a hammer strike Lol so there goes your feat of namor taking a shot from thor to the back of his head, now there are 2 feats to contredict that therefor that feat was PIS 😆

Where in that scan does it look like Namor is hurt? Considering he's completely fine two panels later as if nothing's happened. Much like when Thor ambushed him from behind in Avengers Vs X-Men #8. Your studliness must be confusing you.

you can clearly see namor was hurt and effected by that strike, not to the point he was taken out of the fight however that strike did effect him as we can see in the scan.

^ They both "affected" him. Neither hurt him. But I don't really care how liberally you throw around the term "hurt." Just as long as you're consistent with it and recognize that Superman Prime here got "really hurt" by Superboy:

Since, y'know, he was clearly hurt and affected by each of his strikes to the point of being bloodied. As long as you're not being a complete hypocrite, I've got no issue with your statements.

Originally posted by ODG
^ They both "affected" him. Neither hurt him. But I don't really care how liberally you throw around the term "hurt." Just as long as you're consistent with it and recognize that Superman Prime here got "really hurt" by Superboy:

Since, y'know, he was clearly hurt and affected by each of his strikes to the point of being bloodied. As long as you're not being a complete hypocrite, I've got no issue with your statements.

oh come on the PIS fight with the teen titans? really? really??? the PIS fight with teen titans? really???? might as well post a scan with taskmaster draw blood from thor with a shield strike.

Originally posted by red sabre
oh come on the PIS fight with the teen titans? really? really??? the PIS fight with teen titans? really???? might as well post a scan with taskmaster draw blood from thor with a shield strike.

Originally posted by red sabre
oh come on the PIS fight with the teen titans? really? really??? the PIS fight with teen titans? really???? might as well post a scan with taskmaster draw blood from thor with a shield strike.

Tbf, Thor was already attacked by the Dark Avengers and the rest of Osborn's forces. It was later stated that Thor barely, if at all, felt the effects of Tasky's "lovetaps", which, iirc, hurt Tasky's ego a bit.

Prime consistently is hurt/effected/irritated by herald class beings, though. If I had to break it down, I'd say his damage soak and endurance is disproportionally superior to his actual durability. He can be hurt from people like Superboy, Kid Flash, and Martian Manhunter - and on a consistent basis - but it takes an incredible amount of punishment to actually KO or kill him.

In any case, Prime is in no way, shape, or form, outright no selling the P5. It's also sketchy how he'd fare against telepathy on that level, as well.

Shouldn't you be working on making a doombot? uhuh

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Shouldn't you be working on making a doombot? uhuh

It seems I need to correct your programming. mmm