I'm pretty sure that Thor has overwhelmed speedsters before, for instance, Classic NES already refereed to Zefra. Thor caught that guy IIRC, and I distinctly remember one time where Thor manhandled Quicksilver as well.
And with Mjolnir he has a large plethora of exotic abilities at his disposable. Anti-force, god blast, transmutation, energy absorption and redirection, et cetera. Thor's got my vote. I can't really see him losing this fight.
Originally posted by Falcon Man
I'm pretty sure that Thor has overwhelmed speedsters before, for instance, Classic NES already refereed to Zefra. Thor caught that guy IIRC, and I distinctly remember one time where Thor manhandled Quicksilver as well.
Zefra's a she btw
Zefra is described as being: "fast as the wind"
Nobody, but Thor can catch her.
Quicksilver stands no chance:
Thor comments on his past experience with Speedsters:
"And I have vanquished Fleeter foes than you"
Mongoose, who almost killed Spider-man earlier. Until Thor intervenes:
Mongoose Speed is useless:
Neither does Spider-man:
Catches up to Hermes with ease:
He's never done it now how is that in-character?
Because he is a mixture of Goku and Vegeta. Neither of them are above sneak attacks, tricks, cheating, or finding openings anyway they can.
So, does the average speedsters. Thor has no problem with them.
Those "average speedsters" don't have the same abilities as Vegito. Like the "IT blast you from behind before you have any idea what happened and now you're dead" attack. Im pretty sure that's what it's called...
Thor fights character's that are capable of moving faster than light, including himself. This is only flight speed, and doesn't need an indication of how fast Thor needs to keep up Vegetto in speed because there was no indication of how fast Vegetto really is. Him being faster than the opponent in front of him doesn't make him faster than Thor in flight speed, which needs to be included in combat becuase they are constantly moving from position to position. In h2h Vegetto does have the advantage, but don't ignore that Thor can simply fly away from being harm without being caught. And does Vegetto have a way of getting through Thor magical current? Since we are talking about Vegetto actually being faster in h2h, then it's only necessary to include one of Thor's useful abilities to cancel out Vegetto's attacks.
I would think that Thor running away so Vegito couldn't catch him would count as a forefit. Running away usually means you're giving up. And Thor's "current" isn't automatic. Plus he wouldn't even put it up is Vegito is spamming Ki blasts and the hammer is absorbing them.
He can even trap Vegeto's soul in Mjolnir.
Not exactly in character but an easy win if he did
Originally posted by juggerman
Because he is a mixture of Goku and Vegeta. Neither of them are above sneak attacks, tricks, cheating, or finding openings anyway they can.
That's true, but it's irrelevant because he's in-character. We can't argue what he CAN do, but what he has done.
Originally posted by juggerman
Those "average speedsters" don't have the same abilities as Vegito. Like the "IT blast you from behind before you have any idea what happened and now you're dead" attack. Im pretty sure that's what it's called...
Well, I was comparing base speed and reflexes. I didn't factor IT, but you're right that IT is faster. Since, it's instantaneous.
That's true, but it's irrelevant because he's in-character. We can't argue what he CAN do, but what he has done.
Well im not sure i like that! He was around for 5 minutes so he is mostly implied power. Haven't you noticed most of my argument has been what others have done? It's hard to debate for a guy on what he has done when he has done nothing. Quit nerfing my dude! MEANIE! 😠
Originally posted by juggerman
Well im not sure i like that! He was around for 5 minutes so he is mostly implied power. Haven't you noticed most of my argument has been what others have done? It's hard to debate for a guy on what he has done when he has done nothing. Quit nerfing my dude! MEANIE! 😠
Okay, fine, let's give him IT. I still say Thor wins 7/10.
Originally posted by Kirikaze FuumaWell actually you'd need to figure out the timeframe in-between the 2nd and 3rd panels in order to determine the speed of the beam.
True. But DB is not entirely humor fantasy even though it's in the early DB. Even if I can't use that, fine. Picollo later, [b]destroyed a moon when he tried to stop Oozaru Gohan and the moon vanished in the next page. [/B]
Originally posted by juggerman
Possible but with CIS on he wouldn'tYeah i forgot he could do that...
Again CIS says he wouldn't. If you wanna go CIS off then maybe. But with IT Thor may never get chance
Yeah i see it now. It's been awhile. But still these guys tank planet obliterating attacks easily. Unless Thor's lightning casually busts planets i dunno if it'll do much
Yet another example of the shitty writing. Frieza survived a planet exploding at basically zero power AND cut in half and the GODDAMN Legendary Broly can't even tank lava without a shield!
Well it could have just hit Broly and not gone much farther. And Goku usually tried to minamize the collateral damage
When was it stated to be 22,000? Vegeta's scouter was broken so where did this number come from? Im honestly curious. I don't recall them putting a number on his power level after 9,000. When i watched it i had to do the math myself the bastards!
With an IT Kamehameha Thor wouldn't have the chance to raise the hammer. It would come from behind him. And if he did fire it back stronger Vegito would just dodge it.
Yeah that crap bugs me too. Or that Zenkai crap. If Saiyans' power increases so much from it why not just blast eachother to near death then have Dende heal you all day long? And the power they gain from it is wildly inconsistant. Like Vegeta gets one after he lost on Earth but that only puts him up a few thousand. Same with the one he got after getting thrashed by the Ginyu Force. Yet Frieza was completely outta his league in his 2nd form but after a Zenkai given to him by Krillin he was able to fight Frieza's Final form which is millions higher.
EDIT: Actually after the Ginyu Force Vegieta's power skyrockets from under 40,000 to around quarter of a million! Frieza's power in his 1st form was stated to be about 240,000 and Vegeta was holding his own which forced Frieza to transform
Or that no1 got a Zenkai again except Cell
Or that Vegeta's tail never grows back but Goku's and Gohan's did when first cut off.
Or that the team on King Kai's planet were well above the Ginyu Force after their training yet after Goku's training there he was nowhere near that strong and had to do the 100 times gravity thing.
And how the hell did trianing on King Kai's planet put Goku above Nappa anyway? It was said that Planet Vegeta's gravity was 10 times that of Earth's just like KK's Planet yet training there for half a year put Goku above someone who trained in that kind of place for decades
With CIS on Vegito also wouldn't start off with a teleport infront of Thor for the big bang kamehameha either though. If it goes CIS-less Vegito will last even less.
They're different types of attacks though. Thors lightning doesn't bust planets but neither do the Dbz crew regularly. Even if they're attacks very well should. Thors attacks on the other hand regularly affect abstracts.
Oh yeah its retarded dude. Lava? Seriously? You'd think that kamehameha that Goku hit him with point blank would be more serious than getting splashed by some lava. So stupid.
Yeah but they were on an uninhabited planet. The locals had been taken off and the building were deserted.
I could have sworn it happened during one of Gokus kaio ken power ups. Vegeta was reading the number and it was going higher higher then stopped at 22,000. I'll try and get the scan or scene on the show though to be sure.
Thors quantifiable speed should be fast enough to react though. He's swung his hammer several times faster than a lightning bolt in the past.
oh man thats bugged the hell out of me 2. 😆 Vegeta from 18,000 after all the crap he went though on Earth only gets up to like 24,000. After Zarbon, he gets up to what? 40,000 or so you think? After Reecoome he went up several hundred thousands XD. And yeah you're right, was it really that hard to think to blast Vegeta a few more times before letting him fight final form Frieza?
For real. We got the same complaints 😄
Did it ever occur to anyone that the creator of DB wasn't taking his own work serious? The moon was blown up twice, and Goku actually survived in space as a child near the moon, these three mistakes are an indication that they aren't true, but the creator's mistake in trying to make them powerful (Piccolo's blasts went right through Raditz, but never destroyed a large portion of the Earth). But he changed it later so that he could show limits in his own character's, keep them limited to only earth so that they could appear to be human.
With CIS on Vegito also wouldn't start off with a teleport infront of Thor for the big bang kamehameha either though. If it goes CIS-less Vegito will last even less.
I agree with CIS off Thor would rape Vegito sans lube but the IT Hamehameha isn't out of the question. He tosses a few Ki blasts at Thor to gauge his ability and after seeing that the hammer absorbs them or what have you he thinks of a way to get around it. IT would be perfect
They're different types of attacks though. Thors lightning doesn't bust planets but neither do the Dbz crew regularly. Even if they're attacks very well should. Thors attacks on the other hand regularly affect abstracts.
Very true i just don't think he would one shot Vegito with those kind of attacks. He could win with them sure but not with just one hit
Oh yeah its retarded dude. Lava? Seriously? You'd think that kamehameha that Goku hit him with point blank would be more serious than getting splashed by some lava. So stupid.
I guess they don't have serious heat resistance? Just plain silly
Yeah but they were on an uninhabited planet. The locals had been taken off and the building were deserted.
True but he could have made sure it didn't pop the planet or atleast hurt his allies. Still i don't recall if it went past Broly at all.
I could have sworn it happened during one of Gokus kaio ken power ups. Vegeta was reading the number and it was going higher higher then stopped at 22,000. I'll try and get the scan or scene on the show though to be sure.
When Vegeta did his famous "It's over 9,000!!!!" rant he crushed his scouter. Goku's PL wasn't stated after that so when he did the Kaio-ken times whatever you had to do the math yourself
Thors quantifiable speed should be fast enough to react though. He's swung his hammer several times faster than a lightning bolt in the past.
React yes. But he is greatly outclassed going h2h unless he let's loose
oh man thats bugged the hell out of me 2. Vegeta from 18,000 after all the crap he went though on Earth only gets up to like 24,000. After Zarbon, he gets up to what? 40,000 or so you think? After Reecoome he went up several hundred thousands XD. And yeah you're right, was it really that hard to think to blast Vegeta a few more times before letting him fight final form Frieza?
That's exactly what i thought! "Hey Krillin come blast me like 6 more times so i can crush this fool"
For real. We got the same complaints
Seems like it 😄
Without the moon there would be no life on earth in some places of the planet.
There would be no life period.
Seriously? They live on a planet with dinosaurs, airplanes in capsules, people without noses, cats that just hang on shirts all day long, talking animals, magic out the wahzoo and goddamn pig people! I don't think destroying the moon will upset this bass ackward world all that much.
What was the purpose of having the moon? Because it was necessary for human life. Without the moon people wouldn't be able to tell time, plants and crops will die, people will die across country because they can't survive extreme heat; all this is necessary in order live, but it can't be accomplish without the moon. Basically, those feats were rejected by the creator. It's obvious because the creator never revived the moon. They even talk about doing things at night time. The moon is important in human life.
What was the purpose of having the moon? Because it was necessary for human life. Without the moon people wouldn't be able to tell time, plants and crops will die, people will die across country because they can't survive extreme heat; all this is necessary in order live, but it can't be accomplish without the moon. Basically, those feats were rejected by the creator. It's obvious because the creator never revived the moon.
You are using our real moon to aruge for a fake story moon in a story that has aliens, androids, giant apes, dinosaurs, time travel, magic, interspecies breeding, dragons, and countless other non realistic fantasy things?
How about this for an explaination: The moon in DBZ was placed there billions of years ago by a giant magic cheese monster who popped a pimple and the residue is suspended in Earth's orbit and has no effect on Earth except that it looks nice.
We are talking about wild fiction here!