vegeto vs Thor (normal)

And, Vegetto in-character doesn't instant Kamehameha, let alone right off the bat. It doesn't make sense for Thor to be in-character, but not Vegetto. Not, that it matters because Thor can suite with IT. Since Thor could appear anywhere across the Universe or other dimensions in just seconds (see- FF#339, and Thor#166).

If Vegito is tossing Ki blasts at Thor and he is just absorbing them and whatnot there is not reason to believe he wouldn't try the IT thing since it would give him an opening. He doesn't have to do it as soon as the fight starts since neither of them would go all out from jump in character

First off, Frieza in his first form, is in no way an instant planet buster. That little piece of work is from a non-canon flashback. Frieza in actuality destroyed planet Vegeta off-panel.

Secondly, it contradicts his later showings. Frieza, even in his final form couldn't even one shot Namek; A planet that was described by Frieza's men as "A small planet". It took a full FIVE MINUTES for the planet to succumb to it's injuries.

First off Vegeta could have destroyed Earth and he was at a power level of 18,000. First form Frieza was at 240,000. Yeah id say he was a casual planet buster.

Secondly How do we know how much power was used? Frieza was a coward so maybe he tried to use the bare minimum to pop Namek and low balled it in fear of hurting himself. Plus Vegeta never got the chance to destroy Earth since Goku countered it. And since Saiyans can't breathe in space it's likely that Vegeta was just at the level to cause a delayed explosion like Frieza did which would give him time to get back to his ship and escape.

Frieza could have used an attack at the 18,000 PL range for the timed explosion

Light-speed is simply his high end speed. He still can and has swung his hammer at unimaginable speeds. Don't take my word for it, here's what Thor has to say about it: "My mystic mallet can attain velocities which are BEYOND your ability to grasp!". But he's true speed actually averages out to around the same level of as your standard speedster. I'll bring up the references when you want. but super speed is part of Thors powerset. So, much so that the High Evolutionary using Thor’s DNA, created a real Super-Speedster in Zefra [Godpack].

I agree that he is very fast and if he so chose he could move fast enough that Vegito couldn't tag him. Or Hulk. Or Juggernaut. Point is that's not how he fights. And he wouldn't be swinging his hammer ungodly fast and hard off jump which gives Vegito all the opening he needs

Depends on how far Thor BFRs him. Thor can literally send anything, or anyone to the other side of the Galaxy thousands of light years away with just a mere magic bolt fired at his enemy.

IT on the other hand can't reach certain places if they're too far away. Like when Goku was on Kaioshins planet and couldn't reach new Namek.

Again this isn't Thor's go to tactic. And his limits are inconsistant. He was able to travel from Otherworld to Earth and able to go from Earth to Supreme Kai's planet which is supposed to be farther than New Namek.

Is it possible that Goku couldn't go to New Namek cuz he hasn't been there before? Im not remembering him ever being there. The reason he got to Supreme Kai's planet was he felt Gohan's giant power an followed it. But there was no1 on New Namek powerful enough for him to feel and track. He was only talking to them via King Kai

Quality over quantity. You don't need to destroy the planet in order to beat Vegetto, unless you think it's impossible to hurt him physically.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3QXG8xRcH0

There would be no point in him fighting if that's the case, because you putting energy attacks far above physical attacks, and this is only referring to DBZ.

I never said you did. I said Vegito can easily tank planet busting attacks so i don't think Thor would one shot him. In a simply physical altercation Thor would own Vegito. With CIS off Thor would own Vegito. But with CIS on i think Vegito can take Thor more often than not. He has several attacks that would KO or kill Thor outright and is much more willing to go all out than Thor is.

DBZ guys go all out all the time and go for KO's and kills much more willingly than Thor. Thor would not survive an attack of half the power Vegito could dish if he did not block/redirect it and the IT attack from behind is the perfect way.

Physical attacks are different from ki attacks and powerleveling in the DBZ universe is the deciding factor of who is stronger or not. Quality over quantity because you can actually die in the DBZ universe by lesser attacks, even in the form of ki. Notice how freeza died twice by cutting attacks, one by his own energy and another by a man made sword by Trunks using his own physical strength to cut through his body. No planet destruction was need on both occassions. Thor doesn't need to destroy the planet to beat Vegetto, because Vegtto himself wasn't threaten by planet destroying attacks in his fight with Super Buu, only Buu's physical strength and ki blasts with the intention of killing Vegetto which wasn't planet destroying except one, that's separate from the power's of Thor. Thor doesn't use ki in his fights basically and he's not connected to DBZ powerleveling.

Buu's non planet destroying attacks were of no threat to Vegito. Just because he thought they were doesn't make it so. And Freiza's disks were designed to cut thru anything and did not kill him. He was weakened anyway.

You have a good point with Trunks sword tho but that same sword could not even cut thru Goku's finger. DBZ character A =/= DBZ character B in durability.

Also Freiza could not manipulate his Ki the way Goku and company do so easily. Their durability alters with their power output. SS1 Goku tanked rocks being tossed at him by Freiza yet while asleep (and much more powerful) was hurt when Krillin threw a rock at him.

Im sure i can think of more instances if needed

This is the only thing I found flawed in your counter argument.

Originally posted by juggerman
If Vegito is tossing Ki blasts at Thor and he is just absorbing them and whatnot there is not reason to believe he wouldn't try the IT thing since it would give him an opening. He doesn't have to do it as soon as the fight starts since neither of them would go all out from jump in character

There is a reason he wouldn't: CIS is on. Sorry, but that's how the cookie crumbles with these types of stipulations. You can't have it both ways. Either Vegetto and Thor are unbound or they're in character.

Why wouldn't he? They often toss blasts at eachother. What makes this different? And if his Ki blasts weren't getting thru due to Thor's hammer why would he not try to get around it?

Originally posted by juggerman
Why wouldn't he? They often toss blasts at eachother. What makes this different? And if his Ki blasts weren't getting thru due to Thor's hammer why would he not try to get around it?

Same reason why Thor won't use his Hammer when fighting Juggs and Hulk. CIS is on.

Vegetto is gonna try his luck in close range and will be K.O'ed long before he has the chance to even think about acting out of character.

Thor does use his hammer against them tho...

And in character Vegito's combat speed is well above Thor's. Close combat wouldn't be a quick win for Thor

Originally posted by juggerman
Thor does use his hammer against them tho...

Not to it's full extent.

Originally posted by juggerman

And in character Vegito's combat speed is well above Thor's.

Yeah, since he doesn't use any speed in-character. He's a brute. Thors average speed is higher, though.

Not to it's full extent.

Which is my point. Thor wouldn't be going all out and by Thor's average showings he would be KO'd by most of the DBZ universe.

Yeah, since he doesn't use any speed in-character. He's a brute. Thors average speed is higher, though.

His avarage combat speed is not on DBZ level

Originally posted by juggerman
Which is my point. Thor wouldn't be going all out and by Thor's average showings he would be KO'd by most of the DBZ universe.

And, my point is that IT Kamehameha isn't in character for Vegetto.

And, my point is that IT Kamehameha isn't in character for Vegetto.

We don't know that for sure

Originally posted by juggerman
We don't know that for sure

He's never done it now how is that in-character? Also, In-character Thor has God-Blast.

Originally posted by juggerman

His avarage combat speed is not on DBZ level

Based on?

Originally posted by Classic NES
Based on?

Average DBZ combat speed is them moving so fast that all you notice are shockwaves from punches. Moving so fast that warriors slightly below them can barely keep up with the action.

Thor fights on normal speed considering how often he fights people with no advanced reaction time.

Originally posted by KingD19
Average DBZ combat speed is them moving so fast that all you notice are shockwaves from punches. Moving so fast that warriors slightly below them can barely keep up with the action.

So, does the average speedsters. Thor has no problem with them.

How many speedsters does Thor fight on average? And out of those, how many does he fight evenly in combat speed? Most of his fights are against people with normal combat speed.

Originally posted by KingD19
How many speedsters does Thor fight on average? And out of those, how many does he fight evenly in combat speed?

I guess I didn't articulate my point well enough. Even when Thor can't keep up, on average he always reacts to speedsters. Even if he can't keep up, he can react well enough to not lose.

Thor fights character's that are capable of moving faster than light, including himself. This is only flight speed, and doesn't need an indication of how fast Thor needs to keep up Vegetto in speed because there was no indication of how fast Vegetto really is. Him being faster than the opponent in front of him doesn't make him faster than Thor in flight speed, which needs to be included in combat becuase they are constantly moving from position to position. In h2h Vegetto does have the advantage, but don't ignore that Thor can simply fly away from being harm without being caught. And does Vegetto have a way of getting through Thor magical current? Since we are talking about Vegetto actually being faster in h2h, then it's only necessary to include one of Thor's useful abilities to cancel out Vegetto's attacks.