Flash can do it as well.
High Evolutionary
Magik
GL/Firestorm I've already said.
Wonder Woman
Shadowcat, if she had kept going.
Elixir
Adam X
Adam Strange
Ghost Rider and Dr Strange, as said before.
A non-sabotaged Iron Man
Dr Fate.
Superboy Prime
If in a neutral setting with no civilians, Majestic
Swamp Thing and Henshaw, as mentioned before.
Any one of the Authority ('Door'😉, but without BFR, Hawksmoor and the Doctor
Rose Tattoo
Raven
Blink/Gateway/The Spot/Cloak/Pixie
Thor (ooh!)
Captain Atom, maybe?
Miss Martian/Martian Manhunter, if we turn CIS off.
Magneto using the famed blood rip.
Wolverine armed with the Muramasa blade
Anybody armed with the Muramasa blade lol.
Legion
Etc.
I don't see why Bruce couldn't just Hulk back up again and trick Zatanna like he did Strange if she tried to revert him. BFR would only be a temporary measure, as was stated he will always finds a way back, even Red She-Hulk punched her way back from another dimension and Hulk has done similar crazy stuff in the past.
It seems like Supermans speed or speed in general is brought up and dropped when it's convenient. Hulk is no slower than any of the bricks who have tagged/KO'd Superman while he was using superspeed. If he stood there and let Hulk attack him whilst actively trying to evade, I'd agree Hulk shouldn't be able to land a hit. It's when he bullrushes in as he usually does he may fly into a fist or whilst blitzing, Hulk could grab an arm or leg and catch Supes unaware. All it takes is one mistake.
Amadeus stated Bruce's brain works similar to his own, it almost impeccably allows him to run a huge amount of numbers/equations, which is why not a single person died during WWH and the reason his calculations of trajectory are virtually flawless. His adaptability could play a part in aiding dealing with speed, all Hulk's especially Bruce, have a self-preservation mechanism that kicks in whether in human or Hulk form. Add to this his supernatural sense of detection, the fact he has feats that far exceed the speed of sound, and along with all the above it really isn't surprising he has had very few showings of being completely overwhelmed by speed. Most that did came from his early days when he was more oafish and cumbersome.
Hulk has fought most of Marvels Supermen clones and beat each one of them, all of whom possess lightspeed. One arguably more powerful than Superman himself in the form of Sentry.
I don't see any herald or below beating him with pure force unless amped in some way. Someone with extremely exotic powers like Surfer or a high end mage like Strange would be be more troublesome than a superstrong or speedy type. Surfer was once able to "cure" Banner of the Hulk decades ago, admittedly I don't know how that would affect the Green Scar but a scalpel would be more effective than the sledgehammer approach in this scenario imo.
The problem with this Hulk isn't just overcoming the brawn which is a huge task in itself, it's the brains behind it too.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
I don't see why Bruce couldn't just Hulk back up again and trick Zatanna like he did Strange if she tried to revert him. BFR would only be a temporary measure, as was stated he will always finds a way back, even Red She-Hulk punched her way back from another dimension and Hulk has done similar crazy stuff in the past.It seems like Supermans speed or speed in general is brought up and dropped when it's convenient. Hulk is no slower than any of the bricks who have tagged/KO'd Superman while he was using superspeed. If he stood there and let Hulk attack him whilst actively trying to evade, I'd agree Hulk shouldn't be able to land a hit. It's when he bullrushes in as he usually does he may fly into a fist or whilst blitzing, Hulk could grab an arm or leg and catch Supes unaware. All it takes is one mistake.
Amadeus stated Bruce's brain works similar to his own, it almost impeccably allows him to run a huge amount of numbers/equations, which is why not a single person died during WWH and the reason his calculations of trajectory are virtually flawless. His adaptability could play a part in aiding dealing with speed, all Hulk's especially Bruce, have a self-preservation mechanism that kicks in whether in human or Hulk form. Add to this his supernatural sense of detection, the fact he has feats that far exceed the speed of sound, and along with all the above it really isn't surprising he has had very few showings of being completely overwhelmed by speed. Most that did came from his early days when he was more oafish and cumbersome.
Hulk has fought most of Marvels Supermen clones and beat each one of them, all of whom possess lightspeed. One arguably more powerful than Superman himself in the form of Sentry.I don't see any herald or below beating him with pure force unless amped in some way. Someone with extremely exotic powers like Surfer or a high end mage like Strange would be be more troublesome than a superstrong or speedy type. Surfer was once able to "cure" Banner of the Hulk decades ago, admittedly I don't know how that would affect the Green Scar but a scalpel would be more effective than the sledgehammer approach in this scenario imo.
The problem with this Hulk isn't just overcoming the brawn which is a huge task in itself, it's the brains behind it too.
Agreed. In a fisticuffs fight? WWh may likely win. Scalpels and finesse will be needed.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
I don't see why Bruce couldn't just Hulk back up again and trick Zatanna like he did Strange if she tried to revert him.
That's only ONE option of a near infinite number of them she has. But what if she made him revert to bruce and then turned him into a rock?
[i]BFR would only be a temporary measure, as was stated he will always finds a way back, even Red She-Hulk punched her way back from another dimension and Hulk has done similar crazy stuff in the past.
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What about dropping him in the vast empty space between galaxies? I know Red Hulk stated he can't breath in space. And I've seen Green Hulk wearing breathing masks in space. There is so much empty space between galaxies that something floating out there would never hit a planet.
[i]It seems like Supermans speed or speed in general is brought up and dropped when it's convenient. Hulk is no slower than any of the bricks who have tagged/KO'd Superman while he was using superspeed. If he stood there and let Hulk attack him whilst actively trying to evade, I'd agree Hulk shouldn't be able to land a hit. It's when he bullrushes in as he usually does he may fly into a fist or whilst blitzing, Hulk could grab an arm or leg and catch Supes unaware. All it takes is one mistake.
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Which Bricks are you talking about that have tagged Superman while he's going full speed? (Because for this argument to work, Superman would have had to have been going his full speed).
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Hulk has fought most of Marvels Supermen clones and beat each one of them, all of whom possess lightspeed. One arguably more powerful than Superman himself in the form of Sentry.
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Being able to go lightspeed is one thing, Superman speed is FAR beyond light speed. He has feats going upward from 13 million times light speed. As far as I know, Sentry's fastest speed feat (and I could be wrong here) is taking care of some problem in Libya in a mater of minutes, from NYC. This is an impressive feat to be sure, but nowhere close to Superman's best.
[i]I don't see any herald or below beating him with pure force unless amped in some way. Someone with extremely exotic powers like Surfer or a high end mage like Strange would be be more troublesome than a superstrong or speedy type. Surfer was once able to "cure" Banner of the Hulk decades ago, admittedly I don't know how that would affect the Green Scar but a scalpel would be more effective than the sledgehammer approach in this scenario imo.
The problem with this Hulk isn't just overcoming the brawn which is a huge task in itself, it's the brains behind it too. [/B]
I agree that I don't see anyone below Herald beating WWH one on one. Many heralds wouldn't be able to either. But there are plenty of them who could. I definitely disagree that speedy types wouldn't be a huge problem for the Hulk. I HIGHLY doubt Hulk could even hit Flash once if Flash was using his powers even semi-intelligently.
And as far as Superman, there's also the fact that I have never seen a single strength feat from WWH that even a HOLDING BACK Superman wouldn't be capable of replicating. But there would be plenty from Superman that I doubt WWH would be capable of. (Maggedon comes to mind). And that's just strength, nevermind Superman's other abilities.
Originally posted by The SorrowIt seems like Supermans speed or speed in general is brought up and dropped when it's convenient. Hulk is no slower than any of the bricks who have tagged/KO'd Superman while he was using superspeed. If he stood there and let Hulk attack him whilst actively trying to evade, I'd agree Hulk shouldn't be able to land a hit. It's when he bullrushes in as he usually does he may fly into a fist or whilst blitzing, Hulk could grab an arm or leg and catch Supes unaware. All it takes is one mistake.
Hulk has fought most of Marvels Supermen clones and beat each one of them, all of whom possess lightspeed. One arguably more powerful than Superman himself in the form of Sentry.
I don't think a single mistake is all WWH needs. Hulk can fight the clones all he wants. Unfortunately they are not the real deal, and you know Sentry fought like a moron.
Originally posted by Zack Fair
I don't think a single mistake is all WWH needs. Hulk can fight the clones all he wants. Unfortunately they are not the real deal, and you know Sentry fought like a moron.
Sentry tried to use speed, which worked initially keeping the Hulk off balance until eventually he was able to counter, after that punch Sentry changed tactics and even went CBR-mode staying airbourne while spamming the Hulk with his EP. Once Hulk climbed the energy to face Sentry at that point he had little choice but to throw down. Could it have been done better? Sure, but you could say that about most fights involving the more powerful characters, especially in the last few years. The level of criticism directed at the fight I suspect is more to due with the outcome, than Sentry's tactics.
Originally posted by The SorrowFair enough.
I agree, but Superman certainly can't afford many against Hulk this powerful. Beating Marvel's versions of Superclones proves he's no stranger to dealing with that particular powerset and more than held his own. but nowhere did I state it means he can beat Supes.Sentry tried to use speed, which worked initially keeping the Hulk off balance until eventually he was able to counter, after that punch Sentry changed tactics and even went CBR-mode staying airbourne while spamming the Hulk with his EP. Once Hulk climbed the energy to face Sentry at that point he had little choice but to throw down. Could it have been done better? Sure, but you could say that about most fights involving the more powerful characters, especially in the last few years. The level of criticism directed at the fight I suspect is more to due with the outcome, than Sentry's tactics.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Flash can do it as well.
High Evolutionary
Magik
GL/Firestorm I've already said.
Wonder Woman
Shadowcat, if she had kept going.
Elixir
Adam X
Adam Strange
Ghost Rider and Dr Strange, as said before.
A non-sabotaged Iron Man
Dr Fate.
Superboy Prime
If in a neutral setting with no civilians, Majestic
Swamp Thing and Henshaw, as mentioned before.
Any one of the Authority ('Door'😉, but without BFR, Hawksmoor and the Doctor
Rose Tattoo
Raven
Blink/Gateway/The Spot/Cloak/Pixie
Thor (ooh!)
Captain Atom, maybe?
Miss Martian/Martian Manhunter, if we turn CIS off.
Magneto using the famed blood rip.
Wolverine armed with the Muramasa blade
Anybody armed with the Muramasa blade lol.
Legion
Etc.
I see what you did.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Flash can do it as well.
High Evolutionary
Magik
GL/Firestorm I've already said.
Wonder Woman
Shadowcat, if she had kept going.
Elixir
Adam X
Adam Strange
Ghost Rider and Dr Strange, as said before.
A non-sabotaged Iron Man
Dr Fate.
Superboy Prime
If in a neutral setting with no civilians, Majestic
Swamp Thing and Henshaw, as mentioned before.
Any one of the Authority ('Door'😉, but without BFR, Hawksmoor and the Doctor
Rose Tattoo
Raven
Blink/Gateway/The Spot/Cloak/Pixie
Thor (ooh!)
Captain Atom, maybe?
Miss Martian/Martian Manhunter, if we turn CIS off.
Magneto using the famed blood rip.
Wolverine armed with the Muramasa blade
Anybody armed with the Muramasa blade lol.
Legion
Etc.
To answer your question Sin, majority of these people could given their potential.