Originally posted by Endless Mike
There's a difference between trying to quantify something that can actually be measured and something that can't.
Gladiator has flown 100 times the speed of light and has planet destroying strength. Using your calculations, he should outright kill anyone with a single punch to the face. Don't you agree.?
Originally posted by Endless Mike
If you really wanted to calculate how much energy an FTL object would have, you would have to:- Observe FTL objects hitting things in real life
- Develop a mathematical formula from those observations
- Use it to calculate the energyAccording to all the physics we know, matter/energy moving FTL just isn't possible. So we can't calculate how much power/energy an FTL object would have.
You might as well try to use science to attach a number to Mr. Mxyzptlk making 2 + 2 = fish.
Mike knows this - he said:
There's a difference between trying to quantify something that can actually be measured and something that can't.
You then come up with an example of Glads. Which, as Mike said, CANNOT be quantified.
Agree with you 100% carver, that real world logic does not equal comic book logic, but only sometimes. There is still an inherent set of rules within comic books that is SOMETIMES the same as in the real world.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
It really wouldn't. Just harder to avoid.
In other words any object made of matter has no business moving or even approaching the speed of light due to the laws of friction, and if by chance matter was to be moving at such a speed, it would likely break up upon contact. molecules being what they are and all, nothing is truly solid. However being encased within the Speed Force allows for Character A to destroy Character B upon contact while moving at light speed. The Flash is a beast. 🙂
Originally posted by Stoic
In other words any object made of matter has no business moving or even approaching the speed of light due to the laws of friction
Relativity, actually.
and if by chance matter was to be moving at such a speed, it would likely break up upon contact. molecules being what they are and all, nothing is truly solid. However being encased within the Speed Force allows for Character A to destroy Character B upon contact while moving at light speed. The Flash is a beast.
Speedforce lets you basically say "screw you" to physics, problem is that if you do that, then you can't exactly use physics to predict how hard he's going to be hitting someone, unless the events of the comic make it clear that they're being used.
For example, IMP, which was used at just under the speed of light. Could he do it while moving over the speed of light? I don't know - maybe? Probably?
Would it be any more powerful? Not necessarily.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85actually as his speed continuously grows it doesn't really matter much about the mass. If this were say Barry entering speed force which follows no physics because the more he runs the more it grows the faster he can go continuing its growth while it can sustain him, his speed keeps growing and with that the amount of energy keeps amping up. If he were to keep pushing top speed and maxing out the force of the impact he would make would just keep going up and auto shields or no eventually hes going to be able to hit a point where he would absolutely shatter any shield you care to toss up. best most people could do is stalemate if they can start intangible.
Careful Stoic, you're veering into using real world logic and applying it to comics...But EndlessMike is right. As you approach lightspeed, you approach infinity.
Twice lightspeed does not mean twice infinity, and even if it did, its kinda meaningless.
Back to the issue at hand. Although Flash travels at multiples of lightspeed, I don't think it means he has multiples of infinite mass behind his punches. So it would do the same damage as a lightspeed IMP, IMO.
But as for who beats Flash. Deadman could do it if the Flash stopped for a second. Invisibility + Intangibility + Possession. Also forget his name but the dude who basically stops incoming forms of energy including kinetic. just outright negates.