Who Can Beat Flash/Zoom with CIS off?

Originally posted by Stoic
Agreed, and understood.

Agreed, so there should most certainly be a rule against making CISless Flash threads, because his speed would never be able to be beaten. I mean who could ever outfight him, or react in time to stop him from beating them into molecules?

Therefore there do exist other CISless beings as you defined capable of duplicating the effects of what Flash would be able to generate.

ambrose chase. maybe aquarian.

Originally posted by Stoic
Agreed, so there should most certainly be a rule against making CISless Flash threads, because his speed would never be able to be beaten. I mean who could ever outfight him, or react in time to stop him from beating them into molecules?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Scans first that the extra speed makes them any more powerful.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
It really wouldn't. Just harder to avoid.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Classic Juggernaut? If not allowing for BFR, there's nothing they can do to him. I understand your guys's arguments but I just realized something. Wouldn't the simple Force=Mass x Velocity apply? Thus going faster would give him a faster velocity, thus more force, correct?

Well then a non BFR match would negate the CISless of the match itself are my thoughts. If the Flash hit Cain at that speed he would turn him into a cosmic bullet that would careen off in one direction never to be seen again, and thus Flash would still win.

As for your other question/comment. In theory I would agree that more speed would equal more mass, but at that point as Mike pointed out, would not matter, because anything being hit at those speed would be crushed, or harmlessly passed through. If you really think about it, the laws of our reality would likely come apart at their seams at such impossible speeds and threaten to destroy anything of substance within it. Certain things just aren't meant to exist within restricted parameters is my guess. In my opinion, anything with the power of surpassing light speed would likely have the power of God, as in being above and beyond anything physical which in turn would reach into the realms of meta physics.

Ok, this is what annoys the hell out of me about speed guys.
Seriously, I HATE speed guys.

When it comes to speed guys. It sames like everyone just uses pure logic to give them victories.

Saying hey, no one can see them or react to them right?

Then if that was the case, I would say logically not even someone like Mxy should be able to beat the flash or zoom with CIS off.

Seriously, how can Mxy see them if they are moving so fast.

Big G and the Tyrant would lose to. How can they see them right?

It's a comic book. I tend to suspend realism.

Speed guys in comics do get hit by slower guys all the time.

Ok, I am done with my rant lol.

Let the flaming on my post begin 🙂

Originally posted by Stoic
Well then a non BFR match would negate the CISless of the match itself are my thoughts. If the Flash hit Cain at that speed he would turn him into a cosmic bullet that would careen off in one direction never to be seen again, and thus Flash would still win.

As for your other question/comment. In theory I would agree that more speed would equal more mass, but at that point as Mike pointed out, would not matter, because anything being hit at those speed would be crushed, or harmlessly passed through. If you really think about it, the laws of our reality would likely come apart at their seams at such impossible speeds and threaten to destroy anything of substance within it. Certain things just aren't meant to exist within restricted parameters is my guess. In my opinion, anything with the power of surpassing light speed would likely have the power of God, as in being above and beyond anything physical which in turn would reach into the realms of meta physics.

Originally posted by SouthSpawn
Ok, this is what annoys the hell out of me about speed guys.
Seriously, I HATE speed guys.

When it comes to speed guys. It sames like everyone just uses pure logic to give them victories.

Saying hey, no one can see them or react to them right?

Then if that was the case, I would say logically not even someone like Mxy should be able to beat the flash or zoom with CIS off.

Seriously, how can Mxy see them if they are moving so fast.

Big G and the Tyrant would lose to. How can they see them right?

It's a comic book. I tend to suspend realism.

Speed guys in comics do get hit by slower guys all the time.

Ok, I am done with my rant lol.

Let the flaming on my post begin 🙂

First of all, Speed guys have no way of hurting Galactus, Tyrant, or Mxy. So no, they won't beat them.

2nd, this isn't a comic book fight. This is a forum fight. You're applying the specific CIS off principle of this specific forum fight to comic books, which in most cases, does not apply.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
How would BFR being off negate the CISless of the match? Few things wrong with this.

First of all, Speed guys have no way of hurting Galactus, Tyrant, or Mxy. So no, they won't beat them.

2nd, this isn't a comic book fight. This is a forum fight. You're applying the specific CIS off principle of this specific forum fight to comic books, which in most cases, does not apply.

Ok, Flash would be able to have a Draw against Big G and Mxy.
They can't catch him right 🙂 🙂

Anyhow, I still hate speed guys.
They are lame!!!! 🙂

Originally posted by SouthSpawn
Ok, Flash would be able to have a Draw against Big G and Mxy.
They can't catch him right 🙂 🙂

Anyhow, I still hate speed guys.
They are lame!!!! 🙂

they also all preceive reality in a way different from us. galactus would very likely be able to perceive them no matter how fast they go. that is something that is never really brought up in these speedster threads....

Kinda like Iron Fist.

The standard method of attack seems to be "blitz with high speed punches" for the Flash side here.

I'd be interested to know how people think Flash would fare, then, against:

1) Sebastian Shaw. His power is to become stronger when hit by anything, whether the punches of Colossus, full power blasts by Cyclops or ... a book pounded on his own head all night.
If Flash starts out with an infinite mass punch to start this fight, as some are suggesting, well, that would equate to an amazingly powerful Shaw JUST after that first hit, let alone if Flash is packing punches in bunches ...

2) Maddrox, the Multiple Man. This guy actually MULTIPLIES when physically struck. Hit him 5 times and you get 5 more Maddroxs.
A billion hits from the Flash ...?
(If this is in an enclosed area, someone's probably going to get SQUASHED by their own actions before long...)

3) Amazo. A remarkable machine that can duplicate the abilities of virtually any opponent, including, theoretically Flash himself.
What happens when Flash fights someone with his same powerset but more durability?

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
1) Sebastian Shaw. His power is to become stronger when hit by anything, whether the punches of Colossus, full power blasts by Cyclops or ... a book pounded on his own head all night.
If Flash starts out with an infinite mass punch to start this fight, as some are suggesting, well, that would equate to an amazingly powerful Shaw JUST after that first hit, let alone if Flash is packing punches in bunches ...

3) Amazo. A remarkable machine that can duplicate the abilities of virtually any opponent, including, theoretically Flash himself.
What happens when Flash fights someone with his same powerset but more durability?

amazo can, and has, duplicated flash's speed. he has also used said speed, along with his other duplicated abilities, to own the entire JLA (flash included.)

Originally posted by Black bolt z
How would BFR being off negate the CISless of the match? Few things wrong with this.

First of all, Speed guys have no way of hurting Galactus, Tyrant, or Mxy. So no, they won't beat them.

2nd, this isn't a comic book fight. This is a forum fight. You're applying the specific CIS off principle of this specific forum fight to comic books, which in most cases, does not apply.

Originally posted by Uriel005
yet they have all been rocked by physical impacts... ergo they can be hurt and the flashes can hurt them.. and continue to hurt them with impunity.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yeah, a severely handicapped Danny who's limited himself to mere herald status can beat these two jokers.

Ok. Ok.

Enough. Enough please.

Danny might be The Son. Doom the Father. And Johnny Blaze the holy ghost.

But together they are just but an aspect of God himself;
Barry Allen.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Ok. Ok.

Enough. Enough please.

Danny might be The Son. Doom the Father. And Johnny Blaze the holy ghost.

But together they are just but an aspect of God himself;
Barry Allen.

Please, child, mind your blasphemous tongue.

Usually the only argument people have against "speed kills" is they hate speedsters, or "i hate it when people act like speed is the be all end all". But what I'd love to see is an actual argument that someone like Hulk, Thing, Red Hulk, etc could even hit an all out Flash. It's just not possible. He wouldn't get a thunderclap off. I don't mean to bash the Hulk here, but it's the easiest example to use.

As for this thread, Superman definitely could be beat the Flash, especially depending on how far apart they start. Superman can get airborn before Flash can get to him, or maybe some other option.

Me.....

I'm that fast.....

That sound behind you in your house right then? That was me making sure you read this.

I'm already back.

Originally posted by Mindset
Shut up, chomper.