I was under the impression that he used the ig at full power,but was tricked by mephisto into putting a show on for mistress death,so cut himself off from the sensory input of the gems(therefore not knowing what his opponents were doing,but still retainingthe power of the ig)...giving Thor etc a small chance at victory,less than 1% ..
Originally posted by lannfear
I was under the impression that he used the ig at full power,but was tricked by mephisto into putting a show on for mistress death,so cut himself off from the sensory input of the gems(therefore not knowing what his opponents were doing,but still retainingthe power of the ig)...giving Thor etc a small chance at victory,less than 1% ..
yep. He calculated that the heroes had about .05% chance of victory.
there was a civil war in a couple threads on this topic a few years back, but i still stand by the belief that thanos still had use of the other 5 gems but just wasn't fully tapping their omniscience they can grant during his bout with Earth's heroes, otherwise he wouldn't have been able to do some of the things he did. for example he: banished hulk and drax in a time portal, he created some kind of rapid growth fungus to encase she-hulk and namor, he escaped cloak's inter-dimensional void, changed the volume/mass of his body (in the silver surfer tie-in), etc
Originally posted by Damborgson
You're right that wasn't a good comparison by me.The abstracts attack in a lot more than physical power though. Mistress love, sire hate, and abstract entities were trying very powerful methods that had little to do with physical durability. Without the gauntlet having him at full power the PG alone wouldn't have been enough in my opinion.
The power gem doesn't just protect you from physical attacks, it protects your from "all" attacks made towards the physical body. Thanos in possession of the power gem was impervious to damage and the abstracts attacking him would have just pissed him off to the pint of powering up. Them staying in the shadows was their best bet. Surfer trying to steal the gem was their best bet.
Originally posted by carver9Exactly. PHYSICAL. Abstracts attack in many more ways than physical, as I already showed.
The power gem doesn't just protect you from physical attacks, it protects your from "all" attacks made towards the physical body. Thanos in possession of the power gem was impervious to damage and the abstracts attacking him would have just pissed him off to the pint of powering up. Them staying in the shadows was their best bet. Surfer trying to steal the gem was their best bet.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Exactly. PHYSICAL. Abstracts attack in many more ways than physical, as I already showed.
It protects the user from ALL harm and bfring Thanos isn't ending the threat, especially when he can teleport back to the battlefield under his own power. What can the abstracts do to Thanos is he is invulnerable from ALL attacks (which is what the powergem grants...complete resistance from all attacks).
Originally posted by carver9It doesn't do that. Otherwise all anyone would need is the power gem to rule the universe. As I already explained, its not the most powerful gem. Its just the only Thanos chose to fight the heroes, and was the best choice for that situation. To fight the abstracts he needed all the others.
It protects the user from ALL harm and bfring Thanos isn't ending the threat, especially when he can teleport back to the battlefield under his own power. What can the abstracts do to Thanos is he is invulnerable from ALL attacks (which is what the powergem grants...complete resistance from all attacks).
Originally posted by Black bolt z
It doesn't do that. Otherwise all anyone would need is the power gem to rule the universe. As I already explained, its not the most powerful gem. Its just the only Thanos chose to fight the heroes, and was the best choice for that situation. To fight the abstracts he needed all the others.
It wouldn't make that person the most powerful in the universe but it would serve its purpose and make that person completely indestructible and that's exactly what it does. The heroes did everything possible to Thanos without even putting a scratch on his body and these wasn't push overs either. The power gem protects you from all types of harm which was the main reason Thanos choice to usr that gem vs the rest. The abstracts attacking him wouldn't have served a purpose since they wouldn't have stopped him. That's why a plan was devised, a plan for Surfer to snatch the gem off of his hands because they knew, even with him using one of the gems that there wasn't a way to stop him, let alone force the gem from his grip.
Originally posted by carver9The abstracts were going a lot farther than physical. Which was the point of the other gems. Otherwise what was the point of the others? he'd have beaten them either way. After all who could destroy him if he's all powerful and invulnerable even with just the PG?
The power gem doesn't just protect you from physical attacks, it protects your from "all" attacks made towards the physical body. Thanos in possession of the power gem was impervious to damage and the abstracts attacking him would have just pissed him off to the pint of powering up. Them staying in the shadows was their best bet. Surfer trying to steal the gem was their best bet.
Originally posted by Damborgson
The abstracts were going a lot farther than physical. Which was the point of the other gems. Otherwise what was the point of the others? he'd have beaten them either way. After all who could destroy him if he's all powerful and invulnerable even with just the PG?
Just because the power gem makes you physically invulnerable, that doesn't mean that it gives you the power to stop all. The other gems gives you other abilities on top of your invulnerability.
Originally posted by carver9
Just because the power gem makes you physically invulnerable, that doesn't mean that it gives you the power to stop all. The other gems gives you other abilities on top of your invulnerability.
Originally posted by DamborgsonWhich is why he needed the full gauntlet, not just the power gem, to beat the abstracts.
Yeah like protect the other parts that go beyond the physical.
Carver, what are you even arguing here?
Originally posted by Damborgson
Yeah like protect the other parts that go beyond the physical.
Which wouldn't get past his true invulnerability. If it was as easy ad you are trying to make it, there really wouldn't have been a need for any abstracts since there were beings out there already that was beyond just physical attacks.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Which is why he needed the full gauntlet, not just the power gem, to beat the abstracts.Carver, what are you even arguing here?
My argument is that if the Abstracts would have attacked, they would have failed and it would have resulted in Thanos powering up sooner than later.