Originally posted by dadudemon
Go read my post, again.
You said incorrectly that versus is anime only. Rules say it's anime AND manga.
Originally posted by dadudemon
So, the argument is moot on which is canon. Since OP didn't specify, anyone can pick and choose whatever they want to fit their argument.
The canon is the source material. That's the manga, Anime is not canon. Since no version is specified we use the default version i.e. canon version.
Originally posted by Classic NES
You said incorrectly that versus is anime only. Rules say it's anime AND manga.
No I didn't: read the title of the forum you are in:
"Anime 'Versus' Forum"
And, also, if you are focusing on that particular portion of my post, you have missed my point entirely. My point was an if-then conditional. the "if" portion was established by your logic and my "then" conclusion was to demonstrate how your logic was not sound. So you missed my point entirely but focusing on that one particular aspect of my post.
Originally posted by Classic NES
The canon is the source material.
False: the OP did not specify that and the rules allow for anime or manga. You are creating rules for this thread and you are not the OP.
Originally posted by Classic NES
That's the manga,
That's not true: Toriyama said himself that the anime was canon to itself. They are two seperate canon sources that largely overlap. That's part of Peach's wisdom in specify "character vs." rather than "anime vs. anime".
Originally posted by Classic NES
Anime is not canon.
False in both the context of this forum and the context of the anime: it is canon as specified by Toriyama, himself.
Originally posted by Classic NES
Since no version is specified we use the default version i.e. canon version.
False: no such rule exists. You are creating your own rule. Also, there is no 'default' version of the Dragonball franchise. There is Dragonball the animated series, Dragonball Z, Dragonball the manga, Ocean dub Dragonball Z, Dragonball Kai, Funimation Dragonball Z, etc. etc. etc. Even dubs create different facts (such as the "faster than the speed of light" comment).
Like I said, if you want to create your own thread and specify your own rules, that would be within the rules. But you must differentiate your own thread from this one as to not get into trouble via thread duplication.
But I want you to focus on this particular portion of my post:
But, if you have to use the argument "it wasn't in the manga" or "it wasn't in the anime", then it shows you are hiding behind rules rather than staying in the spirit of a character vs. matchup. Rule hiding just to win an argument is lame, imo.
There are plenty of other things to talk about other than using "nope, only can use the manga" or "nope, can only use the anime" as points of contention. OP didn't specify: we are stuck with both. You can make your own thread and specify which sources you want to use for your matchup, though: that's not against the rules.
Originally posted by dadudemon
No I didn't: read the title of the forum you are in:"Anime 'Versus' Forum"
The title is irrelevant to the rules which states that versus contain both anime and manga.
Originally posted by dadudemon
False: the OP did not specify that and the rules allow for anime or manga. You are creating rules for this thread and you are not the OP.
I already touched on this. In versus forum culture when the specifications of a match are not stated. The default is to use the current canon version.
Originally posted by dadudemon
That's not true: Toriyama said himself that the anime was canon to itself.
But, it's not the source material. That would be the manga.
Originally posted by dadudemon
False in both the context of this forum and the context of the anime: it is canon as specified by Toriyama, himself.
I know what you're referring too and it's a misconstrue of the term canon. Canon refers to the source material in versus debates i.e. the manga.
Originally posted by dadudemonFalse: no such rule exists. You are creating your own rule.
It's an unstated rule.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Also, there is no 'default' version of the Dragonball franchise.
Yes, there is. It's the manga which is the source material of the franchise created by Toriyama.
Originally posted by Classic NES
The title is irrelevant to the rules which states that versus contain both anime and manga.
Do you hear that whooshing sound?
Originally posted by Classic NES
I already touched on this. In versus forum culture when the specifications of a match are not stated. The default is to use the current canon version.
I already touched on that, as well: you cannot create rules just to fit an agenda (which I invalidated by showing the the feat occurs in both iterations). There is no default: it is open to both the anime and manga. You are not the OP so you do not get to create rules for this thread.
Originally posted by Classic NES
But, it's not the source material. That's would be the manga.
"Toriyama said himself that the anime was canon to itself. They are two seperate canon sources that largely overlap. That's part of Peach's wisdom in specify "character vs." rather than "anime vs. anime"."
"...there is no 'default' version of the Dragonball franchise. There is Dragonball the animated series, Dragonball Z, Dragonball the manga, Ocean dub Dragonball Z, Dragonball Kai, Funimation Dragonball Z, etc. etc. etc. Even dubs create different facts (such as the "faster than the speed of light" comment)."
Originally posted by Classic NES
I know what you're referring too and it's a misconstrue of the term canon. Canon refers to the source material i.e. the manga.
"Toriyama said himself that the anime was canon to itself. They are two seperate canon sources that largely overlap. That's part of Peach's wisdom in specify "character vs." rather than "anime vs. anime"."
"...there is no 'default' version of the Dragonball franchise. There is Dragonball the animated series, Dragonball Z, Dragonball the manga, Ocean dub Dragonball Z, Dragonball Kai, Funimation Dragonball Z, etc. etc. etc. Even dubs create different facts (such as the "faster than the speed of light" comment)."
Originally posted by Classic NES
It's an unstated rule.
"False: the OP did not specify that and the rules allow for anime or manga. You are creating rules for this thread and you are not the OP."
Originally posted by Classic NES
Yes, there is. It's the manga which is the source material of the franchise created by Toriyama.
"That's not true: Toriyama said himself that the anime was canon to itself. They are two seperate canon sources that largely overlap. That's part of Peach's wisdom in specify "character vs." rather than "anime vs. anime"."
"False: no such rule exists. You are creating your own rule. Also, there is no 'default' version of the Dragonball franchise. There is Dragonball the animated series, Dragonball Z, Dragonball the manga, Ocean dub Dragonball Z, Dragonball Kai, Funimation Dragonball Z, etc. etc. etc. Even dubs create different facts (such as the "faster than the speed of light" comment)."
"Like I said, if you want to create your own thread and specify your own rules, that would be within the rules. But you must differentiate your own thread from this one as to not get into trouble via thread duplication.
But, if you have to use the argument "it wasn't in the manga" or "it wasn't in the anime", then it shows you are hiding behind rules rather than staying in the spirit of a character vs. matchup. Rule hiding just to win an argument is lame, imo.
There are plenty of other things to talk about other than using "nope, only can use the manga" or "nope, can only use the anime" as points of contention. OP didn't specify: we are stuck with both. You can make your own thread and specify which sources you want to use for your matchup, though: that's not against the rules."
I'll just address the only post that wasn't a repost.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I already touched on that, as well: you cannot create rules just to fit an agenda (which I invalidated by showing the the feat occurs in both iterations). There is no default: it is open to both the anime and manga. You are not the OP so you do not get to create rules for this thread.
First, I didn't create the rule. It's just that you're ignorant of it, no offense.
Second, I agree with the highlighted segment of your post. Many times I've wanted to use anime depictions of the on panel feats to help quantify them. Examples include: determining how long it took Piccolos chi attack to reach the moon or how many times it took Gotenks to circle the earth. The time frame of these two feats is indeterminable in the manga for obvious reasons and unless there's some corroborative text that can vouch for the time frame, said feats are unquantifiable. But, said rule [which does exist] prevents me from doing so. Even if I want to, rules are rules.
Originally posted by Classic NES
First, I didn't create the rule. It's just that you're ignorant of it, no offense.
"False: the OP did not specify that and the rules allow for anime or manga. You are creating rules for this thread and you are not the OP."
"There is no default: it is open to both the anime and manga. You are not the OP so you do not get to create rules for this thread."
Originally posted by Classic NES
Second, I agree with the highlighted segment of your post. Many times I've wanted to use anime depictions of the on panel feats to help quantify them. Examples include: determining how long it took Piccolos chi attack to reach the moon or how many times it took Gotenks to circle the earth. The time frame of these two feats is indeterminable in the manga for obvious reasons and unless there's some corroborative text that can vouch for the time frame, said feats are unquantifiable. But, said rule [which does exist] prevents me from doing so. Even if I want to, rules are rules.
"There is no default: it is open to both the anime and manga. You are not the OP so you do not get to create rules for this thread."
You could have used the anime to make your point in any thread that was not restricted to just the manga. Very few thread starters restrict the media from which you can draw your thread conditions. Most threads here have both anime and manga to draw from.
Originally posted by Classic NES
I wish you could but you can't. That rule exist unfortunately.
"False: the OP did not specify that and the rules allow for anime or manga. You are creating rules for this thread and you are not the OP."
"There is no default: it is open to both the anime and manga. You are not the OP so you do not get to create rules for this thread."
I would agree with you if this were any other subforum vs. But the rules clearly allow both anime and manga and makes a distinction that we use the characters and don't have to keep it anime anime or manga manga. It is up the OP, not you. OP did not specify, therefore, all are fairgame.
On top of that, there's the fact that the creator said both media formats are canon.
I'll just keep requoting myself, actually, because there is no legitimate counter to anything I have said. It has long since been settled that anime and manga, especially form the DB universe, are used unless otherwise specified.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I would agree with you if this were any other subforum vs. But the rules clearly allow both anime and manga and makes a distinction that we use the characters and don't have to keep it anime anime or manga manga.
Then lets ask the moderator. What happens when the thread starter doesn't specify or if you can use both anime and manga in conjuction.
Originally posted by Classic NES
Then lets ask the moderator. What happens when the thread starter doesn't specify or if you can use both anime and manga in conjuction.
Cool....
I've already addressed that, as well:
"But I want you to focus on this particular portion of my post:
But, if you have to use the argument "it wasn't in the manga" or "it wasn't in the anime", then it shows you are hiding behind rules rather than staying in the spirit of a character vs. matchup. Rule hiding just to win an argument is lame, imo.
There are plenty of other things to talk about other than using "nope, only can use the manga" or "nope, can only use the anime" as points of contention. OP didn't specify: we are stuck with both. You can make your own thread and specify which sources you want to use for your matchup, though: that's not against the rules."
"Toriyama said himself that the anime was canon to itself. They are two seperate canon sources that largely overlap. That's part of Peach's wisdom in specify "character vs." rather than "anime vs. anime"."
"...there is no 'default' version of the Dragonball franchise. There is Dragonball the animated series, Dragonball Z, Dragonball the manga, Ocean dub Dragonball Z, Dragonball Kai, Funimation Dragonball Z, etc. etc. etc. Even dubs create different facts (such as the "faster than the speed of light" comment)."
Originally posted by Classic NES
You're 100% right.But, I can't change the rules or the way things are done in versus.
Then there is not problem for you because:
"I would agree with you if this were any other subforum vs. But the rules clearly allow both anime and manga and makes a distinction that we use the characters and don't have to keep it anime anime or manga manga. It is up the OP, not you. OP did not specify, therefore, all are fairgame."
""There is no default: it is open to both the anime and manga."
You must get out of the mindset that you must adhere to the 616 universe or things like that. This is not the comic book versus forum: there is a different set of rules here. There are multiple universes at play, here: not just one main continuity.
Originally posted by dadudemonYou must get out of the mindset that you must adhere to the 616 universe or things like that. This is not the comic book versus forum: there is a different set of rules here. There are multiple universes at play, here: not just one main continuity.
Comic book verses generally use the same rules throughout the internet. These rules have been partially adopted by anime versus enthusiast. From my experiences, the canon version as the default is how things are handled. It's really more of an unspoken rule.
Originally posted by Classic NES
Comic book verses generally use the same rules throughout the internet.
"This is not the comic book versus forum: there is a different set of rules here."
Originally posted by Classic NES
These rules have been partially adopted by anime versus enthusiast.
"This is not the comic book versus forum: there is a different set of rules here."
"There is no default: it is open to both the anime and manga."
Originally posted by Classic NES
From my experiences, the canon version as the default is how things are handled.
"There is no default: it is open to both the anime and manga."
Originally posted by Classic NES
It's really more of an unspoken rule.
"You must get out of the mindset that you must adhere to the 616 universe or things like that. This is not the comic book versus forum: there is a different set of rules here. There are multiple universes at play, here: not just one main continuity.'
Originally posted by Classic NES
Where not getting anywhere. So, like I said ask a mod.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I'll just keep requoting myself, actually, because there is no legitimate counter to anything I have said. It has long since been settled that anime and manga, especially from the DB universe, are used unless otherwise specified.
Originally posted by Classic NES
The legitimate counter is board culture. Why are you ignoring this? Someone else just chimed in and made the same point.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I already touched on that, as well: you cannot create rules just to fit an agenda (which I invalidated by showing the the feat occurs in both iterations). There is no default: it is open to both the anime and manga. You are not the OP so you do not get to create rules for this thread.
Originally posted by dadudemon
"Toriyama said himself that the anime was canon to itself. They are two seperate canon sources that largely overlap. That's part of Peach's wisdom in specify "character vs." rather than "anime vs. anime".""...there is no 'default' version of the Dragonball franchise. There is Dragonball the animated series, Dragonball Z, Dragonball the manga, Ocean dub Dragonball Z, Dragonball Kai, Funimation Dragonball Z, etc. etc. etc. Even dubs create different facts (such as the "faster than the speed of light" comment)."
Originally posted by dadudemon
Toriyama said himself that the anime was canon to itself. They are two seperate canon sources that largely overlap. That's part of Peach's wisdom in specify "character vs." rather than "anime vs. anime".
Originally posted by dadudemon
Additionally, the 8th rule makes it clear:"8. This is character vs., not actually "anime vs. anime" versus." So it doesn't have to be specific to just manga vs. manga or anime vs. anime: it is just character. That leaves lots of lateral movement from the OP in thread creations. Opening line from the rules also states:
"This forum is Anime/Manga Versus..."
It doesn't' state, "manga canon-only versions".
Originally posted by dadudemon
...the rules clearly allow both anime and manga and makes a distinction that we use the characters and don't have to keep it anime anime or manga manga. It is up the OP, not you. OP did not specify, therefore, all are fairgame...
^^^^"Why are you ignoring these?"^^^^