Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
Just curious, what makes a 'contained' black hole is different than normal black hole?
It was in a containment field. The containment field is what kept the black hole from destroying the planet front the get go. That containment field was leaking and if the energy around the black hole kept dispersing, the planet would have been destroyed. That's when Superman came into play and used his hands as a backup for that energy field. By the time that energy field was nearly broken, Superman was getting sucked into the black hole but Martian Manhunter fixed the shielding around the field before that happened.
With that said, the ft is unquantifiable.
Originally posted by carver9
It was in a containment field. The containment field is what kept the black hole from destroying the planet front the get go. That containment field was leaking and if the energy around the black hole kept dispersing, the planet would have been destroyed. That's when Superman came into play and used his hands as a backup for that energy field. By the time that energy field was nearly broken, Superman was getting sucked into the black hole but Martian Manhunter fixed the shielding around the field before that happened.With that said, the ft is unquantifiable.
I'm asking what makes the contained black hole different with the normal black hole.
Originally posted by carver9
It was in a containment field. The containment field is what kept the black hole from destroying the planet front the get go. That containment field was leaking and if the energy around the black hole kept dispersing, the planet would have been destroyed. That's when Superman came into play and used his hands as a backup for that energy field. By the time that energy field was nearly broken, Superman was getting sucked into the black hole but Martian Manhunter fixed the shielding around the field before that happened.With that said, the ft is unquantifiable.
Well, with that explanation, I must say, the feat does not seem nearly as "uber" as people were making it. In fact, it seems a bit dishonest to pass it off as "containing a black hole".
I agree, it is unquantifiable.
Originally posted by carver9
It was in a containment field. The containment field is what kept the black hole from destroying the planet front the get go. That containment field was leaking and if the energy around the black hole kept dispersing, the planet would have been destroyed. That's when Superman came into play and used his hands as a backup for that energy field. By the time that energy field was nearly broken, Superman was getting sucked into the black hole but Martian Manhunter fixed the shielding around the field before that happened.With that said, the ft is unquantifiable.
Okay, I'm sorry for using that feat then.
Originally posted by carver9
What fts does Superman have that's Planetary?Goku punching power is better.
Even though a person can lift mountains doesn't mean we give him the fts of other characters punching power, especially if that character have been in thousands of fights. When will you understand this?
Tugging/pushing planets, throwing a condensed star system, moving some Earth/Moon system sized gears, and showing to be equal to people at this strength.
By legitimate on-panel feats his best physical feat is City Block, powerscaled to <Town. Unless, as I said, you can show me an on-panel DC feat that shows their strength. And no, "punching guys that take planet blasts" means jack all seeing as they can take a whole fights worth of punches but are killed with anything on a planetary level. Show me a chapter where we can see the effects and damage of their strength or concede the point.
I just want you to state that /you/ are able to have a hand-to-hand fight with.. Machamp, because even if it has mountain strength it has no punch feats, so his hits will land as hard as yours. A "Yes, I can take a punch from Machamp." will suffice.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Is getting proof too much for you to handle yet again or is it that you're unable to make up an answer this time around?You were meant to be good at this 😬
I'm done with you. We keep going on Circles. I admitted Goku doesn't have lifting fts because he doesn't need them. I ask you for punching, destructive fts and you give me lifting fts...something that I am not even asking for (because you don't want to concede). We are done here but its always good debating with you bloodrain.
Originally posted by Classic NES
His best striking feat was a flying kick to Frieza and the collateral damage resulted in the destruction of two small islands. On the other hand Superman flew into a moon and cracked it clean in two.
He probably has better striking feats, actually. He probably has much better. I am not going back and reading/watching it all to find it, though. It's just not that important.
^There are only two striking feats in DB iirc; That kick and SS3 Gotenks making a crater from spiking Buu. Haven't read the chapters between Freeza and Buu, doubt anything impressive comes from there though.
Originally posted by carver9
I'm done with you. We keep going on Circles. I admitted Goku doesn't have lifting fts because he doesn't need them. I ask you for punching, destructive fts and you give me lifting fts...something that I am not even asking for (because you don't want to concede). We are done here but its always good debating with you bloodrain.
Originally posted by BloodRain
^There are only two striking feats in DB iirc; That kick and SS3 Gotenks making a crater from spiking Buu. Haven't read the chapters between Freeza and Buu, doubt anything impressive comes from there though.
Trunks kicked fat buu through several mountains and he slide through some rock for a bit. That may have been Anime only, but the OP did not specific "manga" or "anime" only so both can be used.
http://www.dbz.tv/2/watch/dragonball-z-episode-222/3
(starts at around 17:20.)
That's just an example. Not Goku's feat but a feat, non-the-less that shows things are not as limited as they appear. Goku is definitely stronger than that younger Trunks, obviously.
If I had the time, I could remember more for you.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Trunks kicked fat buu through several mountains and he slide through some rock for a bit. That may have been Anime only, but the OP did not specific "manga" or "anime" only so both can be used.http://www.dbz.tv/2/watch/dragonball-z-episode-222/3
(starts at around 17:20.)
That's just an example. Not Goku's feat but a feat, non-the-less that shows things are not as limited as they appear. Goku is definitely stronger than that younger Trunks, obviously.
If I had the time, I could remember more for you.
Originally posted by carver9
Bloodrain, it was already showed...Goku kicking Frieza through two islands. I'm not asking you for lifting fts or your calculations, just some punching power. We are done bloodrain. Just concede.
Oh, and "Throwing".
Its the 'throw' which is the feat, not him lifting it. And hey, if you had a reason to why the strength to throw something has absolutely 0% relation to that persons striking strength without anything stating such a thing, you would have said it by now.
By this I may as well say that you don't have a punching feat there since a kick isnt a punch. And he flew into it, so its also a flying feat and less of a strike one. But that would be equally as pointless.
Originally posted by Classic NES
When no version is specified we use the canon version iirc.
That's not true: this is Anime vs. forum. So, actually, we'd use the anime, only, if none is specific, going by your logic.
But since that is not specific as a rule, both are used.
But, it doesn't matter.
Same feat occurs in them manga, too.
http://manga.animea.net/dragon-ball-chapter-467-page-9.html
http://manga.animea.net/dragon-ball-chapter-467-page-10.html
Additionally, the anime is considered canon to itself: Toriyama's own words.
So, the argument is moot on which is canon. Since OP didn't specify, anyone can pick and choose whatever they want to fit their argument...which is precisely what people have been doing from both sides in this thread (and I have called it out, multiple times, already).
Additionally, the 8th rule makes it clear:
"8. This is character vs., not actually "anime vs. anime" versus." So it doesn't have to be specific to just manga vs. manga or anime vs. anime: it is just character. That leaves lots of lateral movement from the OP in thread creations. Opening line from the rules also states:
"This forum is Anime/Manga Versus..."
It doesn't' state, "manga canon-only versions".
But, if you have to use the argument "it wasn't in the manga" or "it wasn't in the anime", then it shows you are hiding behind rules rather than staying in the spirit of a character vs. matchup. Rule hiding just to win an argument is lame, imo.
There are plenty of other things to talk about other than using "nope, only can use the manga" or "nope, can only use the anime" as points of contention. OP didn't specify: we are stuck with both. You can make your own thread and specify which sources you want to use for your matchup, though: that's not against the rules.