I'm wondering how GR places him in the PS? Does he physically overpower the Hulk by grabbing him by the arms while the Hulk is rendered helpless by GR's unprecedented strength? Also where does the PS come into play here? The Hulk wouldn't have been guilty of anything. I guess this comes down to a brawl then.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He's guilty of enslaving a group of people just because he blames them for a series of crimes for which they are not guilty for. And then placing them into concentration camps. Along with other people who were just trying to protect them in the first place.That's right, I equated WWH to Hitler.
So if that were the case, why didn't the Rider enact the PS right there and then? Let's not make it out like the Hulk sodomized several 3 year olds in front of their moms. In his mind he was justified. This becomes a brawl.
Originally posted by Stoic
So if that were the case, why didn't the Rider enact the PS right there and then? Let's not make it out like the Hulk sodomized several 3 year olds in front of their moms. In his mind he was justified. This becomes a brawl.
In Hitler's mind, he too was justified.
As to why he didn't? PIS.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
In Hitler's mind, he too was justified.As to why he didn't? PIS.
Like I said, this becomes a brawl since the Rider could not see anything wrong with the Hulk's justifications. Hitler was different, he self justified his evil acts, becoming a reprobate to himself, and teaching others how to become ones themselves. With that being said, this becomes a brawl.
Originally posted by Stoic
Like I said, this becomes a brawl since the Rider could not see anything wrong with the Hulk's justifications. Hitler was different, he self justified his evil acts, becoming a reprobate to himself, and teaching others how to become ones themselves. With that being said, this becomes a brawl.
Lol it probably does degenerate into a brawl. I'm just interested in the parallels, I guess.
Hitler was different, he self justified his evil acts, becoming a reprobate to himself
and teaching others how to become ones themselves.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol it probably does degenerate into a brawl. I'm just interested in the parallels, I guess.'Never stop making them pay'. Pay for what, Hulk?
He brought his entire Warbound to Earth. Plus all the Hive younglings, to wage war on the Illuminati, and anyone else who tried to help them. Sure, they all swore a pact to be Warbound and to fight each others battles - but it was misguided. Hulk could rationalise it and justify it as much as he wanted to in his mind, doesn't mean he was correct.
In the Hulk's mind he was cut first, after saving the world, and then told that all along a plan was spoken of, and a decision to exile him from the planet after his good deeds were going to happen, which began Planet Hulk. Then right after busting a nut in Caiera the device that sent him there, tears his new world down around his ankles. In his mind they tried to kill him, but failed and he went back for some pay back. Who was Hitler paying back? The Hulk was justified, Hitler self justified himself. Self justification is the first steps towards becoming a reprobate in my opinion.
The Hulk's stance was much different in it's approach and scope, or the minute after he beat the false Boltagon, he would have just landed on Earth and went world breaker on the entire planet, and killed everyone. This did not happen. He never killed a soul.
Do you believe that Ghost Rider would beat the Hulk in a brawl?
Originally posted by Stoic
In the Hulk's mind he was cut first, after saving the world, and then told that all along a plan was spoken of, and a decision to exile him from the planet after his good deeds were going to happen, which began Planet Hulk. Then right after busting a nut in Caiera the device that sent him there, tears his new world down around his ankles. In his mind they tried to kill him, but failed and he went back for some pay back. Who was Hitler paying back? The Hulk was justified, Hitler self justified himself. Self justification is the first steps towards becoming a reprobate in my opinion.
The Hulk's stance was much different in it's approach and scope, or the minute after he beat the false Boltagon, he would have just landed on Earth and went world breaker on the entire planet, and killed everyone. This did not happen. He never killed a soul.
That's right, he wanted them to suffer loss, as he suffered loss. Si rather than a quick death, he wanted them to be tortured. Even though his loss WASN'T THEIR FAULT.
Do you believe that Ghost Rider would beat the Hulk in a brawl?
Originally posted by Stoic
In the Hulk's mind he was cut first, after saving the world, and then told that all along a plan was spoken of, and a decision to exile him from the planet after his good deeds were going to happen, which began Planet Hulk. Then right after busting a nut in Caiera the device that sent him there, tears his new world down around his ankles. In his mind they tried to kill him, but failed and he went back for some pay back. Who was Hitler paying back? The Hulk was justified, Hitler self justified himself. Self justification is the first steps towards becoming a reprobate in my opinion.The Hulk's stance was much different in it's approach and scope, or the minute after he beat the false Boltagon, he would have just landed on Earth and went world breaker on the entire planet, and killed everyone. This did not happen. He never killed a soul.
Do you believe that Ghost Rider would beat the Hulk in a brawl?
Blaze controlled yea, The hulk would probably need a holy weapon to beat unleashed Ghostrider
Originally posted by Stoic
So GR would overpower the Hulk? Is this what you are saying? The Hulk could just throw his bony ass into space, end of story. Has Ghost Rider ever been KO'd?
Lol yea he would make a cool looking rocket I suppose, if there were bfr involved. Blaze has been knocked out more than enough, most memorable (for me anyways) being when Venom overloaded his penance stare. Since Ghost Rider's power is divine, Id assume he can amp his strength levels equal to or beyond the hulks. I kinda think thats why they had Ghost Rider deciding Hulk was innocent, so the story arc wouldn't end with their battle.
Wait! Is this Ghost Rider the Dan Ketch/Noble Kale one? In all honesty, I can provide info into what Penance Stare actually does.Here's what PS does.
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/Blackheart/HeroesVsBH6.jpg
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/Blackheart/HeroesVsBH7.jpg
Although I don't really know what Hulk can do to GR or what GR can do to Hulk.Did Hulk killed anyone in the WWH story arc?I think that's the only way PS would affect Hulk.
Originally posted by Igniz
Wait! Is this Ghost Rider the Dan Ketch/Noble Kale one? In all honesty, I can provide info into what Penance Stare actually does.Here's what PS does.http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/Blackheart/HeroesVsBH6.jpg
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/Blackheart/HeroesVsBH7.jpgAlthough I don't really know what Hulk can do to GR or what GR can do to Hulk.Did Hulk killed anyone in the WWH story arc?I think that's the only way PS would affect Hulk.
It makes you relive your misdeeds, not necessarily murder. Which the Hulk is definitely guilty of (see my discussion with Stoic above).
Originally posted by Whiteclipse
Lol yea he would make a cool looking rocket I suppose, if there were bfr involved. Blaze has been knocked out more than enough, most memorable (for me anyways) being when Venom overloaded his penance stare. Since Ghost Rider's power is divine, Id assume he can amp his strength levels equal to or beyond the hulks. I kinda think thats why they had Ghost Rider deciding Hulk was innocent, so the story arc wouldn't end with their battle.
