Xavier vs Thor

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Not really an inconsistency because Charles and Emma werent performing the same action. Emma was trying to mind control Thor whilst Xavier was just slammin a mental suggestion into his mind.

Emma being a Phoenix host also doesnt make it an inconsistency because how uber a host is depends on how much power they draw on.

That's a lame excuse . Even w/o the PF , Emma should be able to perform something like that . She's an omega-class telepath , like Charles . Such a feat shouldn't be beyond her capabilities .

Inconsistency remains an inconsistency .

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Severanl times ? When ???

She did it one time, and after that she failed.

Avengers #211. Moondragon compels an array of heroes and forces them to go to Avengers mansion. When the Avengers try to stop her she totally freezes Thor, Herc, Iron Man, Cap, Panther, Iceman, even Vision etc. with "a simple psi-bolt". Thor remains frozen as a statue while Moondragon carries out her Avengers team tryouts. They escape due to Iron Man.

Avengers #219-220. Moondragon compels Thor and the Avengers to enter her spaceship, and it takes them to the planet Ba-Bani. Once on the planet she mind controls Thor into serving her, becoming her lover, and fighting the Avengers for her. All this with what she says is the "small reserve" of power she has left while simultaneously controlling millions of the planet's inhabitants. He escapes due to changing back to Blake, who has a different mind from Thor.

Originally posted by basilisk
Avengers #211. Moondragon compels an array of heroes and forces them to go to Avengers mansion. When the Avengers try to stop her she totally freezes Thor, Herc, Iron Man, Cap, Panther, Iceman, even Vision etc. with "a simple psi-bolt". Thor remains frozen as a statue while Moondragon carries out her Avengers team tryouts. They escape due to Iron Man.

Avengers #219-220. Moondragon compels Thor and the Avengers to enter her spaceship, and it takes them to the planet Ba-Bani. Once on the planet she mind controls Thor into serving her, becoming her lover, and fighting the Avengers for her. All this with what she says is the "small reserve" of power she has left while simultaneously controlling millions of the planet's inhabitants. He escapes due to changing back to Blake, who has a different mind from Thor.

wasn't that during the era when she was amped by the dragon of the moon though...?

Originally posted by leonidas
wasn't that during the era when she was amped by the dragon of the moon though...?

Originally posted by basilisk
Hard to say. I mean the DotM wasn't even created when those Avengers stories took place. DotM was kind of retconned in to be part of Moondragon's origin from what I recall, but it didn't begin to influence her until a few years after those Avengers issues. At least I think - been a long time since I read any later Defenders.

yeah it was confusing. i recall a scene when she was finally freed of the dragon, and it came well after the issues you mentioned so i was pretty sure everything until that scene was sorta suspect. but if there has been a retcon regarding the dragon, then...... shrug

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah it was confusing. i recall a scene when she was finally freed of the dragon, and it came well after the issues you mentioned so i was pretty sure everything until that scene was sorta suspect. but if there has been a retcon regarding the dragon, then...... shrug

Didn't Xavier just put Thor to sleep?

Honestly, Marvel isn't applying any sort of consistency to their characters feats. As it is now, it's hard to say "who can do exactly what" at the moment.

^They're trolling hardcore fans of these characters . And making life harder for us battleboarders . That's what they're doing .

Originally posted by deathlife

Honestly, Marvel isn't applying any sort of consistency to their characters feats. As it is now, it's hard to say "who can do exactly what" at the moment.

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Originally posted by basilisk
It was a retcon in the sense that it wasn't introduced into her origin until well after her first appearances and original origin. But I'm pretty sure it didn't return to influence her until a several years after these Avengers stories.

i always viewed the dragon scene as a retcon in itself. if you're saying that it was altered again, then basically it was a retconned retcon....? 😕

After Moondragon purged the Dragon of the Moon influence from herself, has she ever had any feats on the scale as from her initial classic appearance - the whole enslaving Thor and dominating the minds of everyone on an entire planet?

I don't believe current Moondragon is anywhere on that level, but I suppose after having exposure to the Mind Gem for such an extended period of time, her power may fluctuate?

Originally posted by leonidas
i always viewed the dragon scene as a retcon in itself. if you're saying that it was altered again, then basically it was a retconned retcon....? 😕

But I think back when those Avengers stories were done, they were basically just saying she was powerful enough to do that to Thor and the others. Twice.

Originally posted by Glorificus
After Moondragon purged the Dragon of the Moon influence from herself, has she ever had any feats on the scale as from her initial classic appearance - the whole enslaving Thor and dominating the minds of everyone on an entire planet?

I don't believe current Moondragon is anywhere on that level, but I suppose after having exposure to the Mind Gem for such an extended period of time, her power may fluctuate?

yeah, this is what i was trying to say. no, i don't believe she has. i think those early feats were down to her being amped by the dragon. least i'm pretty sure someone proved that in some thread somewhere, and i'd always thought that was the case....

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Even w/o the PF , Emma should be able to perform something like that . She's an omega-class telepath , like Charles . Such a feat shouldn't be beyond her capabilities .

What other conclusion could you come too besides she wasn't even trying. She's toyed with everyone she's come in contact with. Look at how she has everyone bow to her like a God.

No need for a massive mind phuck.

Emmas tp feats : Having Rulk resist/having Thor resist/mean verry little. Could she mind rape them? Hell yeah. Does she have to be shown on panel doing it. No.

Thor has a CLEAR history of being mindraped easily.. this is nothing new. Sure, he has some decent showings of benig able to resist it... but let's not kid ourselves.. he has just as many where they weren't so strong. I see nothing wrong with Xavier being able to shut his mind down.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I see nothing wrong with Xavier being able to shut his mind down.

So I wonder wtf is going to happen to the p5 after everything is finished. Will they be put in prison?

Originally posted by Glorificus
After Moondragon purged the Dragon of the Moon influence from herself, has she ever had any feats on the scale as from her initial classic appearance - the whole enslaving Thor and dominating the minds of everyone on an entire planet?

I don't believe current Moondragon is anywhere on that level, but I suppose after having exposure to the Mind Gem for such an extended period of time, her power may fluctuate?