Originally posted by roughrider
Everytime Thor has fought Gladiator, he is fighting a Pre-Crisis analogue of Superman who never got depowered, and look how well he does against him.I give Thor a slight edge over Diana in a normal matchup; pure h2h slugfest, I'd say Diana has more than even odds.
Be quite or Carter will hear you!
Originally posted by roughrider
Everytime Thor has fought Gladiator, he is fighting a Pre-Crisis analogue of Superman who never got depowered, and look how well he does against him.I give Thor a slight edge over Diana in a normal matchup; pure h2h slugfest, I'd say Diana has more than even odds.
How is Gladiator a Pre-Crisis analogue of Superman? Inspired by him (as are the rest of the Shiar Guard inspired by the Legion of Superheroes), but in terms of power and formidability, he's not Pre-Crisis level. Debatable that he's even post-crisis Superman level overall.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
How is Gladiator a Pre-Crisis analogue of Superman? Inspired by him (as are the rest of the Shiar Guard inspired by the Legion of Superheroes), but in terms of power and formidability, he's not Pre-Crisis level. Debatable that he's even post-crisis Superman level overall.
He was created in the late 70's as part of a deliberate analogue team of The Legion Of Super Heroes in X-Men. He is as much a copy of Superman as Hyperion, with the same powers and power level Supes himself had at that time, which is pre-crisis level. He has planet moving feats.
Originally posted by roughrider
He was created in the late 70's as part of a deliberate analogue team of The Legion Of Super Heroes in X-Men. He is as much a copy of Superman as Hyperion, with the same powers and power level Supes himself had at that time, which is pre-crisis level. He has planet moving feats.
Originally posted by roughrider
He was created in the late 70's as part of a deliberate analogue team of The Legion Of Super Heroes in X-Men. He is as much a copy of Superman as Hyperion, with the same powers and power level Supes himself had at that time, which is pre-crisis level. He has planet moving feats.
This.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Sorry to disappoint you carver but only John byrne wrote him with any resembelence to pre crisis power level. Before he revised the character he was just a background character whose best strength feat was stalemating colossus in a slugfest.
Off of pure fts minus speculation, no one really has fts comparable to Gladiator. Gladiator has some of the best fts out of any Herald imo.
Originally posted by roughrider
He was created in the late 70's as part of a deliberate analogue team of The Legion Of Super Heroes in X-Men. He is as much a copy of Superman as Hyperion, with the same powers and power level Supes himself had at that time, which is pre-crisis level. He has planet moving feats.
Yeah, and post crisis Superman has moved planets. The "planet" Gladiator moved didn't really look that large either. And if you think anyone who can move a planet is equal to PC Superman, you really have no clue what PC Superman's power levels were.
I'm going for WW for the slight majority since i don't think she punches as fast as superman but her reflexes and mobility would be quite an advantage. It would be quite prolonged though as Thor does seem quite durable and quite possibly stronger than Diana.
Possible perhaps, the mere though of losing to a woman might drive Thor nuts and succumb to warrior madness which upon he will utterly stomps her.
Originally posted by cdtm
When has he done this on his own, and without context?
Doesn't matter in those feats (assisted or not) he exerted a force over 50 Earth weights. This is like lifting a weight heavier than 50 Earths stacked.
Remember it's not that you move a planet but how fast you move it and against what force you move it. Superman (with help or not) accelerated Earth at great speeds against Starbreaker's pull and the Sun's pull.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Sorry to disappoint you carver but only John byrne wrote him with any resembelence to pre crisis power level. Before he revised the character he was just a background character whose best strength feat was stalemating colossus in a slugfest.
Funny how Byrne's most known for writing a weak Superman, and wrote a pretty weak Namor, yet trumped up third tier character Gladiator...
Originally posted by keiththegreat
Also, when Superman had help moving a planet, there was an opposing force acting against them, so it was probably well beyond planet moving.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Does that feat count even though it was intended to be pre-crisis? Either way Superman and Hal were losing ground until the rest of the JLA took down Starbreaker. Don't really see how you could say Supes showed "well beyond" planet moving strength in that instance.
Originally posted by abhilegendWait, are you saying that a sky father level being was using his sky father level powers to perform a physical task, i.e Pushing the planet against superman's pull? Shouldn't skyfather level beings when amping their strength be far and above herald characters like Superman? Then how was superman able to counter this and not have his arms ripped off?
It was intended to be byrne superman. He was the only one pulling and a skyfather level being was pushing it who was growing stronger at every moment. Its beyond planet moving. Gladiator hasn't moved any planet to my knowledge, he just broke one with a few punches.
Originally posted by roughrider
Everytime Thor has fought Gladiator, he is fighting a Pre-Crisis analogue of Superman who never got depowered, and look how well he does against him.I give Thor a slight edge over Diana in a normal matchup; pure h2h slugfest, I'd say Diana has more than even odds.
pffft Gladiator wishes he were Pre-FLASHPOINT Superman, let alone Pre-CRISIS.