Yeah, he is.
Shazam is decidedly less impressive out of the RoE than inside of it where he can prep and call upon various artifacts to amplify his power. He doesn't have the feats to contend with someone like Zeus in Zeus' own backyard or in a neutral environment. It's not a spite stomp, but it's not a fight the wizard can win.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yeah, he is.Shazam is decidedly less impressive out of the RoE than inside of it where he can prep and call upon various artifacts to amplify his power. He doesn't have the feats to contend with someone like Zeus in Zeus' own backyard or in a neutral environment. It's not a spite stomp, but it's not a fight the wizard can win.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Tell me about those less impressive showings. He might not have so many showings, but he isn't with low showings like zeus too like two random titans beating him and crucifying him in Olympus whom herc and thing were beating later or a random giant owning him with a spear or Monica Ramabeau putting a hurting on him etc. Anyway zeus isn't beating shazam's ass in any case.
Nothing Shazam ever did outside of the RoE matches the shit he did in DoV versus the Spectre. That's not lowballing - which you're doing to Zeus via your examples rather obviously - but rather fact. At best, Shazam is a Low/Mid Skyfather normally. Inside his realm of power with artifacts to amp off of and time to prepare, he's significantly more powerful, obviously, which is why he wins this thread via the OP.
Yes, Zeus does beat up Shazam. Not easily, but the end result is the Wizard getting his ass kicked by the Lord of Olympus.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Nothing Shazam ever did outside of the RoE matches the shit he did in DoV versus the Spectre. That's not lowballing - which you're doing to Zeus via your examples rather obviously - but rather fact. At best, Shazam is a Low/Mid Skyfather normally. Inside his realm of power with artifacts to amp off of and time to prepare, he's significantly more powerful, obviously, which is why he wins this thread via the OP.Yes, Zeus does beat up Shazam. Not easily, but the end result is the Wizard getting his ass kicked by the Lord of Olympus.
Originally posted by abhilegend
He doesn't need to go to that level to beat zeus. What you are forgetting that shazam pretty much used all his amp in blasting and releasing mordru and that was a highly weakened shazam who beat spectre which tells us how powerful he's at base level. Not to mention there is likely no mention of him weakened outside ROE besides a single comment from king marvel which doesn't apply to him. He summoned a hostless spectre on a whim, beaten blaze in her own domain and stuff like that. Compared to that what has zeus done? Beaten hulk or dropped galactus while heavily amped by chaos king by a writer who absolutely hates galactus? In ROE shazam kicks his ass and that's it.
Mordru restored Shazam's energy as a "gift", so moot point.
Never said Shazam was weakened outside of the RoE, but rather inside of it, he's grossly powered up as he's within his realm of power and able to call upon its energies. Pretty clear distinction. Summoning Spectre isn't a power feat in terms of what's capable in combat. Zatanna can summon Spectre; doesn't mean she can beat skyfathers reliably one on one. Blaze is his daughter and of his cursed bloodline. Zeus would beat her, too. Also curious as to what "stuff like that" constitutes as.
He beat the shit out of Hulk with his bare hands while holding back, which like it or not, is a pretty damn good physical feat. The best I've seen from Shazam in a physical contest is wrestling the Three Faces of Evil while within the RoE where he's at his most powerful, not something beyond the likes of Zeus. Not sure why you feel the need to cry foul over an amped Zeus punching Galactus. Certainly not out of the norm for someone like Zeus as High Heralds have the ability to stagger Galactus given the chance. Also not sure where you get "heavily amped" by a "writer who hates Galactus" from.
Yes, Shazam in the RoE wins as it gives him a huge advantage. Take that advantage away and Shazam loses in a big way. Not sure what's hard to get about that outside of purposefully not wanting to get it.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Shazam.Pretty much the only way he'll beat Zeus is in the RoE, though. In Olympus or in neutral ground, he's getting his ass kicked.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yeah, he is.Shazam is decidedly less impressive out of the RoE than inside of it where he can prep and call upon various artifacts to amplify his power. He doesn't have the feats to contend with someone like Zeus in Zeus' own backyard or in a neutral environment. It's not a spite stomp, but it's not a fight the wizard can win.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Nothing Shazam ever did outside of the RoE matches the shit he did in DoV versus the Spectre. That's not lowballing - which you're doing to Zeus via your examples rather obviously - but rather fact. At best, Shazam is a Low/Mid Skyfather normally. Inside his realm of power with artifacts to amp off of and time to prepare, he's significantly more powerful, obviously, which is why he wins this thread via the OP.Yes, Zeus does beat up Shazam. Not easily, but the end result is the Wizard getting his ass kicked by the Lord of Olympus.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yes, Shazam in the RoE wins as it gives him a huge advantage. Take that advantage away and Shazam loses in a big way. Not sure what's hard to get about that outside of purposefully not wanting to get it.
Contradictory statements are contradictory.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankhe gets weaker the longer he is away from the RoE....
Mordru restored Shazam's energy as a "gift", so moot point.Never said Shazam was weakened outside of the RoE, but rather inside of it, he's grossly powered up as he's within his realm of power and able to call upon its energies. Pretty clear distinction. Summoning Spectre isn't a power feat in terms of what's capable in combat. Zatanna can summon Spectre; doesn't mean she can beat skyfathers reliably one on one. Blaze is his daughter and of his cursed bloodline. Zeus would beat her, too. Also curious as to what "stuff like that" constitutes as.
He beat the shit out of Hulk with his bare hands while holding back, which like it or not, is a pretty damn good physical feat. The best I've seen from Shazam in a physical contest is wrestling the Three Faces of Evil while within the RoE where he's at his most powerful, not something beyond the likes of Zeus. Not sure why you feel the need to cry foul over an amped Zeus punching Galactus. Certainly not out of the norm for someone like Zeus as High Heralds have the ability to stagger Galactus given the chance. Also not sure where you get "heavily amped" by a "writer who hates Galactus" from.
Yes, Shazam in the RoE wins as it gives him a huge advantage. Take that advantage away and Shazam loses in a big way. Not sure what's hard to get about that outside of purposefully not wanting to get it.
Originally posted by Uriel005
he gets weaker the longer he is away from the RoE....
After ascending to "godhood" via his trip to New Genesis, I was under the impression he wasn't bound by this limitation. I know in some stories, Shazam is basically a ghost who can't leave unless under dire circumstances, though.
Lord Marvel couldn't be away from the RoE for more than 24 hours, though.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
bakaHow are they contradictory?
You can get your ass kicked even if you yourself are putting up a valiant effort, which Shazam will obviously do. Not sure who told you otherwise.
Shazam putting up a fight doesn't mean Zeus won't ultimately kick his ass, though.
I simply don't see "not easily but wins" and "ass-kicking" as being anything but contradictory when referring to the same fight.
Originally posted by Delta1938
I simply don't see "not easily but wins" and "ass-kicking" as being anything but contradictory when referring to the same fight.
It's a fight in which Zeus will have to put in some effort, but in the end, will kick Shazam's ass (neutral setting or in Olympus, of course).
Really not hard to grasp.
Silva vs. Sonnen wasn't an easy fight for Silva, but in the end, Silva totally kicked Sonnen's ass.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It's a fight in which Zeus will have to put in some effort, but in the end, will kick Shazam's ass (neutral setting or in Olympus, of course).Really not hard to grasp.
Silva vs. Sonnen wasn't an easy fight for Silva, but in the end, Silva totally kicked Sonnen's ass.
No, Silva was getting his ass kicked for about 4 and a half rounds before finally pulling-off a triangle after multiple attempts. Causing someone to tap-out after being completely controlled for 20something minutes isn't exactly kicking their ass.
And I say this with Silva probably being my favorite fighter.
Originally posted by Delta1938
No, Silva was getting his ass kicked for about 4 and a half rounds before finally pulling-off a triangle after multiple attempts. Causing someone to tap-out after being completely controlled for 20something minutes isn't exactly kicking their ass.And I say this with Silva probably being my favorite fighter.
You talking about Match 1 or Match 2?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
You talking about Match 1 or Match 2?
First. I haven't seen the rematch yet. 🙁 My brother in-law is the only personal, "real-life" friend I have who's into MMA, and for whatever reason I never get invited when they host or go to UFC parties. 😒 😠
EDIT: Wait WTF?!?!?! Either that Silva won by submission or tapped Sonnen out should've been enough to scream at you which fight I was referring to. 😑
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Mordru restored Shazam's energy as a "gift", so moot point.Never said Shazam was weakened outside of the RoE, but rather inside of it, he's grossly powered up as he's within his realm of power and able to call upon its energies. Pretty clear distinction. Summoning Spectre isn't a power feat in terms of what's capable in combat. Zatanna can summon Spectre; doesn't mean she can beat skyfathers reliably one on one. Blaze is his daughter and of his cursed bloodline. Zeus would beat her, too. Also curious as to what "stuff like that" constitutes as.
He beat the shit out of Hulk with his bare hands while holding back, which like it or not, is a pretty damn good physical feat. The best I've seen from Shazam in a physical contest is wrestling the Three Faces of Evil while within the RoE where he's at his most powerful, not something beyond the likes of Zeus. Not sure why you feel the need to cry foul over an amped Zeus punching Galactus. Certainly not out of the norm for someone like Zeus as High Heralds have the ability to stagger Galactus given the chance. Also not sure where you get "heavily amped" by a "writer who hates Galactus" from.
Yes, Shazam in the RoE wins as it gives him a huge advantage. Take that advantage away and Shazam loses in a big way. Not sure what's hard to get about that outside of purposefully not wanting to get it.
Context, jake. When zatanna did that not even phantom stranger and several other mages could do that. That's a high end feat for Zee when she summoned a bound spectre, shazam did it effortlessely. Nope, that's just an excuse that he beat her because she is his daughter. She was the ruler of hell at that time and would beat zeus as well. This isn't going to be a physical fight and he is stronger than blaze who choked black adam with one hand. Pak hates galactus and most of galactus' recent low feats come from him. Heck, denizens of negative zone had upper hand on him in chaos war where all he did was stand still and held open a portal.
You still haven't given any reason to why zeus kicks shazam's ass other than "He gets weaker outside ROE except I've no proof of it". Have any proof that he can't access his energies outside ROE or any low showing? Abscense of proof isn't proof of abscense.
