PG Thor vs PG Champion

Originally posted by Galan007
I agree that their feats were similar in some areas, but a few things...

-The uber-heralds Champion beat were so badly injured by his melee that they required medical attention after the fight in order to recuperate-- heck, Warlock was forced to wrap himself in a cocoon.

-The shield Thanos used vs. Champion was manifested via his tech/ship, whereas the shield he used against Thor was manifested solely by him. His ship's shielding>his personal shielding-- Galactus, for instance, had a tough time breaching his tech-based shielding.

-Champ still destroyed a planet, which seems far more impressive than anything Thor did with the gem.

Galan made a good argument on the shields Thanos use.

Thanos possesses 2 types of shields-- personal shields he generates himself, and shields generated by his tech. PG Thor (who was weaker than Odin) easily broke Thanos' personal shielding with a single swat... Conversely, Galactus (who is much more powerful than either Odin or PG Thor) was hard-pressed to breach Thanos' tech-based shielding. ie. tech shielding>personal shielding.

Suffice to say, the shield Thanos employed vs. Odin certainly wouldn't have been backed by his tech-- hence why Odin could've broken it so easily.

Originally posted by ODG
^ barker

Anyway, I trust that we now agree that what you initially described as a bubble is an energy trail left by Thanos' hand.

Originally posted by Galan007
Crikey, Thanos very clearly hit the boulders with an energy-charged punch, subsequently leaving a trail of energy. I can say this with confidence, because in the panel just before Thanos punches said boulders, we can see his fists charging with energy:

I can definitely see it that way...
But going back to the subject of the initial attack, I'm still leaning towards no use of shielding...
argue

Originally posted by carver9
Galan made a good argument on the shields Thanos use.

Yo Carvster... You should try out for the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders kiiid...

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Originally posted by ODG
^ PG Thor broke them. Are you being intentionally retarded? All evidence certainly suggests so. Why do I have to show closely molded body shields when it was clearly a spherical shape splashing away the energy?

Do you even keep track of your own demands? Or are you just furiously typing responses in the hopes that something might accidentally click and present me with pause?

It must have been a very close sheild as the energy even filtered inches above he head. Gtfo with your hopeful bullshit

Hell the sheild he put up against Drax was visible and circular like I've said all along

Originally posted by Galan007
Again, Champion has [also] trounced many of the finest heralds out there with a few blows: Surfer, Drax, Gladiator, Beta Ray Bill, Warlock, etc-- they were beaten so badly that they nearly died as a result, and were forced to recuperate in a medical ward afterward. He also walked through Thanos' energy blasts, and broke his tech-shields(which is, to this very day, quite unprecedented.) In fact, Thanos himself stated that Champ purposefully stopped his melee just before delivering the "killing blow".

...Then tack on the fact that Champ [also] destroyed a planet, and yes... I think it's clear his gem feats were superior to Thor's as a whole.

Good, then we agree. 👆

Thanos opted to fight Thor physically. He did not, however, battle Champion with the same physicality-- he used [a lot] more shielding/teleportation... He sought to avoid a purely physical confrontation with Champ(and for good reason.) That much was stated by Thanos himself.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I can definitely see it that way...
But going back to the subject of the initial attack, I'm still leaning towards no use of shielding...
argue

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Those were one-on-one fights(not to mention the opponents were restricted to pure h2h , in accordance with that planet's law) , which , while being more or less impressive , can't really be compared to Thor taking on the IW solo .

Originally posted by Galan007
A single part of my post, partially removed from context, doesn't properly convey what I was saying there.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I perfectly understand what you were saying , and I agree with your stance about this battle , just that those particular feats(performed individually against each of those guys) of Champ can't really be compared to Thor taking on a considerable bunch of the IW on his own . IMO .

My main point is that Champion nearly killed some of the most powerful high-heralds in Marvel... With like 1-4 punches a piece. As I mentioned before, said heralds were injured so severely that they required a seemingly high-level of medical care afterward in order to recuperate. Take Surfer, for instance-- sans fighting Galactus himself(or a being of a comparable level of power), I can't recall him ever being injured to that extent from a one-on-one battle... Let alone with such little effort expended by his opponent. Same with Beta Ray Bill, Gladiator, Warlock, etc.

^^That + the fact that Champ literally walked through Thanos' energy blasts + the fact that he broke through Thanos' tech-based shielding(a task even Galactus himself was hard-pressed to accomplish) + the fact that Thanos himself stated that Champ purposefully stopped his melee just short of victory + the fact that Champ, fairly easily, destroyed the planet they were on = my reasoning for believing his gem-feat>Thor's.

...Still think this particular battle is a stalemate if it says h2h, though.

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That aside, Champion already explained that he, being an Elder, naturally has a greater bond with his gem than any other being in creation-- a bond so great that he can apparently take back the PG from any other wielder IF he so chooses:

...So that's also something to think about here.

Originally posted by ODG
That you would have to resort to completely lying about what my argument is, which is essentially Galan007's theory and point to a t...

... once again evinces how sorry your judgment here is. Feel free to argue against this imaginary person. I'm sure your false absolute fallacy will prove a wonderfully disarming gambit.

If you're just too scared to argue directly with us, then leave. Not like we give a sh1t.

Is this another one of your jokes? Scared to argue directly with you... LULZ... Ooo yes that's it. Did you wake up stupid yesterday or something? Arguing with you is exactly what I've been doing this whole time. You just can't accept the fact that the evidence for no shield is greater than the evidence for a shield. I laid out exactly the points supporting no shield and the facts pointing towards a shield... they weren't even close in comparison. Please tell me you have more jokes for me today... ya know.. jokes like Thanos always has his shields on at all times... Ya know.. the joke that Mar-Vel can break Thanos shield in one shot... yet other more powerful people can't. Those types of good jokes that people laugh at you for. Can I get some more of those today?

Originally posted by ODG
^ PG Thor broke them. Are you being intentionally retarded? All evidence certainly suggests so. Why do I have to show closely molded body shields when it was clearly a spherical shape splashing away the energy?

Do you even keep track of your own demands? Or are you just furiously typing responses in the hopes that something might accidentally click and present me with pause?

Just so we're clear... AGAIN... The shield PG broke was DRAWN.. we see it.. We even SEE IT BREAKING. That is in STARK contrast to NO shield being drawn and NO shield being mentioned. You would have more credibility on the issue if you didn't believe Thanos always has his shields up in every encounter. I've shown the stupidity of that theory... Galactus has to expend vital energies just to break Thanos shield... Just Mar-vel's FIRST PUNCH hits Thanos directly in the face OVER NUMEROUS FIGHTS... so Mar-Vel one shot a Thanos shield that took a well fed Galactus, Omega and Champion awhile just to break? Do you see how stupid that looks and sounds? I could also name Hulk doing so.. spiderman doing so.. and a host of others who by your theory ONE SHOT Thanos' shield. It's utter stupidity to believe he always has his shields on. ya know, since we've seen him CALL UPON his shields.. Why call upon them if they are always up? To say nothing of the fact.. how did Thor and Drax grab thanos to pull him away from Surfer if his shields are always up... how did Magus put his hand on Thanos shoulder if it's always up. Why in none of the fights (you claim every fight he has them up) why wasn't it shown to be broken then.. by mere punches from Mar-Vel, Spiderman.. shit Captain America... Cause ya know.. they weren't UP

Lastly, and just so we're clear... If Thanos can walk through a more powerful blast from Gungnir than Odin's first place... Do you dispute the fact.. that shield or not... Thanos could've tanked that blast just as what was shown?

Originally posted by Galan007
Thanos possesses 2 types of shields-- personal shields he generates himself, and shields generated by his tech. PG Thor (who was weaker than Odin) easily broke Thanos' personal shielding with a single swat... Conversely, Galactus (who is much more powerful than either Odin or PG Thor) was hard-pressed to breach Thanos' tech-based shielding. ie. tech shielding>personal shielding.

Suffice to say, the shield Thanos employed vs. Odin certainly wouldn't have been backed by his tech-- hence why Odin could've broken it so easily.

As you said, to each their own on whether it was a shield or not. Suffice to say, Thanos' could've tanked that blast just the same without a shield. If he could walk through a more powerful blast.. from an Odin putting more into it and using a magical weapon.. He certainly could tanked a blast and not move from an Odin not trying as hard.

Pleast though, please tell me you don't believe Thanos always has his shields up in every fight he has been in? LULZ

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Pleast though, please tell me you don't believe Thanos always has his shields up in every fight he has been in? LULZ

for the most part I agree... for example though, he didn't use any against Tyrant.. and that would certainly be classified as a dangerous foe.

Originally posted by Galan007
In every fight? No. In fights in which he's facing an opponent with the ability to cause a great deal of harm, and/or kill him? Likely so. Thanos is many things, but he is not an idiot. If he's fighting someone capable of harming him, he's going to shield himself from their attacks if at all possible-- he's a very smart fighter in that regard.

Originally posted by ODG
^ PG Thor broke them. Are you being intentionally retarded?

Originally posted by zopzop
First of all, you need to calm the phuck down.
Second of all, PG Thor breaking them can be chalked up to PIS. It's not the first time Thor has done shit he has no business doing. As an example, in Thor 300, three elite skyfathers combined blast couldn't scratch a Celestial, yet Thor was breaking pieces off their armor and was conscious and alive after multiple blasts from Celestials. Then there's him breaking through Exitar's outer shell with a Mjolnir strike, yet 3 elite skyfathers couldn't even scratch Arishem.

That's his schtick.. He resorts to name calling... then when you respond with name calling.. he goes..." oo look name calling.. you can't have a simple discussion on something without resorting to that.. must mean you don't have much of an argument if you need to resort to that.. " amirite? Or his not as funny routine where he uses Ad Hominem.. Red Herring..begging the question.. and then accuses you of using fallacies. It's the same hilarious routine over and over again.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
for the most part I agree... for example though, he didn't use any against Tyrant.. and that would certainly be classified as a dangerous foe.

Originally posted by zopzop
First of all, you need to calm the phuck down.
Second of all, PG Thor breaking them can be chalked up to PIS.

If they're weaker shields, why would it be PIS? They're his personal shields and not the ones used against Galactus.