PG Thor vs PG Champion

Originally posted by Nihilist
The only thing you've done ODG is show how desperate and sad you are trying to make stuff up thinking I'm trying to make Thanos somehow superior to Odin, which isn't the case.

The simple issue is he tanked the blast like he did later on walking through the Gungnir blasts.

No proof=no case..end of.

You did try to make up that Thanos apparently possesses 33DDD breasts that tank Odin's blast, somehow explaining the blast splashing. You are trying to hide that you are making Thanos look like a flipping moron who resorts to cheap tactics and all sorts of outside assistance but... oopsie! forgot to raise some shields.

I'ma dub this the "Thanos going dumb blonde" myth. A wholly needless, and rather humorous, argument centering around Thanos either forgetting to use shields (even when he goes to other extraordinary lengths in fights) like a dumb blonde... or somehow uses his Eternal powers to grow a set of enormously large breasts to imitate a dumb blonde and splash away energy attacks.

Thanos fought Tyrant w/o his invisible shields? Dumb blonde moment. Thanos fought Maker w/o his invisible shields? Dumb blonde moment. Thanos fought Odin w/o is invisible shields? Dumb blonde moment. Thanos grew t1tties to splash away Odin's blasts? Another dumb blonde moment.

Works for you, I'm sure. 👆

Originally posted by ODG
Shield's splashing effect being drawn isn't enough? I get it. You're just using Wolverithmetics at this point, amirite? When Wolverine has a bullet hit his eye and he gets knocked out for an entire issue with what appears to be brain matter coming out of his eye, we need a narration panel saying, "And Wolverine was thus shot in the brain by Scalphunter."

Because, y'know, what's obvious must somehow be spoonfed to us as if we're 10 years old... with mental defect issues and a poor grasp of reading comprehension looking at teh pretty picturez.

Begging irrelevant questions isn't a winning strategy. Nor is assuming that writers must pander to the audience every single time, because you need to convince me that Thanos is such a great comic character, he forgets to use his shielding half the time because, "zomg, we don't see his invisible shields" and sometimes, Thanos lets loose with 33DDD t1tties to tank Odin's blasts!

I love when you get upset because you can't answer questions that crush your theory. It TRULY amuses when I do this to you all the time and you then use red herring and ad hominem attacks to try and compensate. Problem is, it changes nothing about thanos and his history. So.. I'll ask again.. and this time try and answer and not use more fallacies to deflect from your lack of proof.

In the Comic YOU MENTION.. where there were invisible shields...

1. Was there a mention of shields being there? (I know you wont' answer.. so I'll answer for you) YES, it was mentioned NUMEROUS times. Flash fact: They are mentioned because since you can't see them.. the writer wants you to know they are there.. Simple basic 4th grade logic says why they would be mentioned.
2. Where they mentioned to be breaking. i.e. another sign they were there.. even though they aren't shown? YES, they were.
3. Can you name ONE single instance in Thanos' entire history where shields were invisible AND NOT MENTIONED or even ALLUDED to. NO YOU CAN'T. Wanna know why.. again basic 4th grade logic.. They are either drawn.. or if they aren't drawn they are mentioned as being there.

In the Odin fight..

1. Was there ANY mention of Thanos having shields (I know you won't answer) NO there wasn't ONE single reference to a shit or it even being alluded to.
2. Was there a mention of Thanos' shields breaking as it is with all the other times when it isn't drawn? NO, not one single mention of his shields being broken.. taxed.. nothing. Oohhh I get why... because there weren't any shields.

You ask why would Thanos be so stupid not to bring shields.. interesting question.. Hmmm I'm going to go out on a limb and say.. BECAUSE HE WASN'T GOING THERE LOOKING FOR A FIGHT but looking for Odin's help. Wow, what a wild concept there. Hmmm somebody not bring a there tech shield because they don't plan on fighting.. Wow, what a crazy theory.

You have very little ground to stand on in this situation and with your other worse theory.. that thanos ALWAYS has his shield on.. remember when you tried to peddle that little theory.. which you were promptly crushed and had to tuck tail and run when PR put and end to that theory of yours. Well he put an end to both your theories.. first on the comic in question we're discussing. As your ridiculous theory that Thanos always has his shields on... even though a 1st grader would see his constant interactions with others touching him.. holding him.. hulk punching him (that broke an invisible shield... that again wasn't mentioned or shown or even alluded to.. lulz) somehow broke it lulz. I remember the good ol days with that shortbus theory.. Good times.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I love when you get upset because you can't answer questions that crush your theory. It TRULY amuses when I do this to you all the time and you then use red herring and ad hominem attacks to try and compensate. Problem is, it changes nothing about thanos and his history. So.. I'll ask again.. and this time try and answer and not use more fallacies to deflect from your lack of proof.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
In the Comic YOU MENTION.. where there were invisible shields...

1. Was there a mention of shields being there? (I know you wont' answer.. so I'll answer for you) YES, it was mentioned NUMEROUS times. Flash fact: They are mentioned because since you can't see them.. the writer wants you to know they are there.. Simple basic 4th grade logic says why they would be mentioned.
2. Where they mentioned to be breaking. i.e. another sign they were there.. even though they aren't shown? YES, they were.
3. Can you name ONE single instance in Thanos' entire history where shields were invisible AND NOT MENTIONED or even ALLUDED to. NO YOU CAN'T. Wanna know why.. again basic 4th grade logic.. They are either drawn.. or if they aren't drawn they are mentioned as being there.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
In the Odin fight..

1. Was there ANY mention of Thanos having shields (I know you won't answer) NO there wasn't ONE single reference to a shit or it even being alluded to.
2. Was there a mention of Thanos' shields breaking as it is with all the other times when it isn't drawn? NO, not one single mention of his shields being broken.. taxed.. nothing. Oohhh I get why... because there weren't any shields.

You ask why would Thanos be so stupid not to bring shields.. interesting question.. Hmmm I'm going to go out on a limb and say.. BECAUSE HE WASN'T GOING THERE LOOKING FOR A FIGHT but looking for Odin's help. Wow, what a wild concept there. Hmmm somebody not bring a there tech shield because they don't plan on fighting.. Wow, what a crazy theory.

You have very little ground to stand on in this situation and with your other worse theory.. that thanos ALWAYS has his shield on.. remember when you tried to peddle that little theory.. which you were promptly crushed and had to tuck tail and run when PR put and end to that theory of yours. Well he put an end to both your theories.. first on the comic in question we're discussing. As your ridiculous theory that Thanos always has his shields on... even though a 1st grader would see his constant interactions with others touching him.. holding him.. hulk punching him (that broke an invisible shield... that again wasn't mentioned or shown or even alluded to.. lulz) somehow broke it lulz. I remember the good ol days with that shortbus theory.. Good times.

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... use some common sense. I get you're trying to peddle this off as a Thanos going dumb blonde moment, but don't go dumb blonde yourself. Descending so rapidly into your typical trollish insults hasn't remedied the fact that this entire argument is needless. Thanos using his shields, which were wrecked by PG Thor rather quickly, wouldn't have made a difference against a much more powerful Odin, much less be a gamechanger. And it wasn't. On-panel.

Somehow, you mad anyway. Mad enough to argue just as pointlessly and as stupidly as Wolverithmetic peddlers. That's pretty mad. And for what? A non-existent security blanket to gloss over Thanos' beatdown at the hands of Odin? That's pretty sad.

Yeah ODG's long butthurt post with no proof again .

^ So on-panel elliptical splashing effects that extend beyond a person's body isn't proof of a shield? No? It's proof of a spontaneous ability to grow large t1tties for a single panel? Oh, right. Thanos with t1tties. Forgot that this is actually a part of his Eternal powerset.

As I've mentioned before...

Here Odin uses a single-handed blast on Thanos. Not only does the blast have no effect whatsoever, but it also seems to dissipate/begin spreading outward, before it ever touches Thanos' physical being:

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Fast-forward a couple pages, and this time a single/meager energy-backhand from Odin sends Thanos flying backward:

With that being said, it seems like Thanos' shields were up initially(the artwork heavily alludes to such)-- then Odin simply broke through them with his subsequent attacks. How else do you explain the massive difference in Thanos' energy-soak over the span of 2 pages?

I mean, it was already established that PG Thor was capable of smashing through Thanos' shielding with little effort:

And from there, it was further established that Odin was vastly superior to PG Thor:

...So Odin can/did/should be able to [effortlessly] breach Thanos' shielding.

Originally posted by ODG
Nice projection. And by nice, I mean you're very nice to make it so obvious you're projecting your frustration onto me. Because an elliptical splashing effect that extends beyond a person's body isn't evidence of a shield in your judgment. Repeating yourself when I've already broken down how needless and deflective these questions are hasn't earned you any points. I can point to numerous times when comic characters, whose shielding has been explicitly drawn and explicitly mentioned, have been in fights with elliptical splashing effects. And y'know... that's on-panel evidence of shielding being used. Somehow, Thanos is special. He's not. I get it. Because nobody talking about the elliptical splashing that is occurring somehow renders this the same exact argument as before. But it's awesome that your excuse for Thanos not raising his shields has to do with Thanos not looking for a fight. Even though he asked Drax and Surfer to attack Odin and even used experimental force block tech on him and, y'know... ended up blasting and wrestling with him...

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... use some common sense. I get you're trying to peddle this off as a Thanos going dumb blonde moment, but don't go dumb blonde yourself. Descending so rapidly into your typical trollish insults hasn't remedied the fact that this entire argument is needless. Thanos using his shields, which were wrecked by PG Thor rather quickly, wouldn't have made a difference against a much more powerful Odin, much less be a gamechanger. And it wasn't. On-panel.

Somehow, you mad anyway. Mad enough to argue just as pointlessly and as stupidly as Wolverithmetic peddlers. That's pretty mad. And for what? A non-existent security blanket to gloss over Thanos' beatdown at the hands of Odin? That's pretty sad.

Who started insulting who first.. Think.. think think.. or actually just go ahead and read your posts to me.. and see if there were any insults in there first. We know the answer to this quetion.. iS YES..and if YES.. then what you describe me doiing and WHY I was doing it.. mostly certainly must apply to you. I didn't expect that self owange from you.. but it was a hoot.

Now, I want you to address that theory of yours so we can all get a laugh. Did you or did you not claim.. Thanos' shields are ALWAYS on by default.. Remember that one? Remember when you claimed a simple punch from Hulk cracked a shield not drawn or seen or even mentioned LULZ.. Should I find the posts? Do you still believe he always has his shields on?

You ask what difference would it have made.. and begging the question yourself. I have the answer though buddy don't worry. You act like Thanos' shielding is all the same.. and it's not.. not even close to the same. The one used against Thor.. I don't even believe was his tech shields.. I believe it was his natural eternal shields he called upon.. or if it was tech.. it was very inferior to others we've seen thanos carry. You ask what difference it would make.. easy.. A BIG DIFFERENCE. Remember how Doom one shot Odin with Galactus power... Remember when Odin one shot himself against galactus? Well, when Thanos comes prepared.. see Omega.. see Galactus.. even champion to a lesser degree.. they ARE game changers. A well fed Galactus had to feed again after trying to break Thanos' shields. He even comments on how hard it was and how he's never had to work so hard to break a mere forcefield. Omega reported to be even more powerful.. couldn't break them with a prolonged blast at Thanos. So yes, if Thanos came for a fight and wanted a fight.. he brings the big boys... Big Boys that odin would have to work just to pierce. So, while there were no shields here.. even if you believe there was.. they weren't his big boy shields.. they were inferior models.. like the one he used against Thor.

Which again, crushes your theory.. So the artist.. DECIDES to draw shields and draw them breaking... THEN in the very next comic.. the artist goes.. you know what.. I'm not going to draw them this time or even mention them... Wow that makes sense.. Ooo wait it doesn't make ANY sense at all. That simple fact should make it very clear there were no shields.. no way no how.

Originally posted by ODG
^ So on-panel elliptical splashing effects that extend beyond a person's body isn't proof of a shield? No? It's proof of a spontaneous ability to grow large t1tties for a single panel? Oh, right. Thanos with t1tties. Forgot that this is actually a part of his Eternal powerset.

Originally posted by Galan007
As I've mentioned before...

Here Odin uses a single-handed blast on Thanos. Not only does the blast have no effect whatsoever, but it also seems to dissipate/begin spreading outward, before it ever touches Thanos' physical being:

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Fast-forward a couple pages, and this time a single/meager energy-backhand from Odin sends Thanos flying backward:

With that being said, it seems like Thanos' shields were up initially(the artwork heavily alludes to such)-- then Odin simply broke through them with his subsequent attacks. How else do you explain the massive difference in Thanos' energy-soak over the span of 2 pages?

I mean, it was already established that PG Thor was capable of smashing through Thanos' shielding with little effort:

And from there, it was further established that Odin was vastly superior to PG Thor:

...So Odin can/did/should be able to [effortlessly] breach Thanos' shielding.

Yet friend, we still can't get around no shields being mentioned or even alluded to being there. We can't get around that NOT ONCE in Thanos' entire history have there been invisible shields that weren't mentioned and mentioned to be breaking or broken.. NOT ONCE.

The other fact, that makes it even more clear there was no shields... The artist in the prior comic.. actually DRAWS a shield.. we see it.. we even see it broken. Why on God's green earth would the artist then NOT draw ANY shield what so ever... or even draw one being broken like we saw with Thor. That completly defies not only consistency but logic. You're telling me the artist would draw one and make it clear there is one.. then the very next comic would go.. you know what.. I'm not going to draw a thing.. I'm not even going to mention a thing.. I'm not even goiing to mention them being broken... That makes zero logical sense.

Lastly, the difference is, and I thought this was made clear by the presentation of the comic.. Odin was STEPPING up his attacks. He was getting more and more annoyed with Thanos and increasing his attacks accordingly. would you not agree Odin was ramping things up as time went along? All the instances you show where Thanos was blown backwards were after said stepping up.. whiich clearly explain why it was effecting Thanos more. Odin's first shot.. put down Drax with ease.. He figured it would do the same to Thanos.. but as we all know.. Thanos is well above them.. So it didn't do a thing to him.. and that is exactly consistent with Odin's mentality at the time (have one shot drax already) and the writer driving home the point with artistic depiction AND narration... That Thanos is above the others.. He even has Odin say as much and is surprised that Thanos is so durable. Hence him stepping it up as time goes on.. It's very easy to example why actually.

Originally posted by Nihilist
tell you what then you show any other time Thanos used shielding that is so close to his body then you have a actual argument. Because we know the one against Champ was a few feet away from his body as shown when Champ stopped short of him, and the same from Galactus and Omega blasts that showed a the outline of the shield a good few feat away from him.

Originally posted by ODG
His shields against PG Thor's blows were just outside of his hand. Galan007 just posted the scan. Seriously?

Guess what they were DRAWN.. SHOWN TO BE BREAKING.. HUGE difference here.. Yet, in the next comic.. the artist goes.. nah.. I'm not going to show a thing or mention a thing.. yeah.. that makes sense.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Guess what they were DRAWN.. SHOWN TO BE BREAKING.. HUGE difference here.. Yet, in the next comic.. the artist goes.. nah.. I'm not going to show a thing or mention a thing.. yeah.. that makes sense.

I didn't make a declaration that required your absent-minded statement of non-fact.

That's not even the same artist. Christ.

Originally posted by ODG
Learn to read simple English before addressing me. I responded to Nihilist's question.

I didn't make a declaration that required your absent-minded statement of non-fact.

That's not even the same artist. Christ.

I know it's not, show me where I said it was the same guy. Point is, the next artist didn't read the prior comic.. is that what you're expecting me to believe. He saw the previous artist draw a shield... draw a shield breaking.. yet goes.. nah.. f consistency.. I'm going the COMPLETE opposite direction as the previous comic.. Yep, that is some logic there..

Originally posted by ODG
His shields against PG Thor's blows were just outside of his hand. Galan007 just posted the scan. Seriously? And what kind of argument is this anyway? Are you insisting that Thanos' shielding is always drawn the same way by different artists? It's not even drawn the same way by the same artists. Why would you possibly think that comic book depiction of shields is static, much less consistent?

The sheild always carry the consistency of being circular in shape , plus all the shielding featured in stories wrote by Starlin so yeah I think he would know a little about how Thanos work and look like and get the artist to depict it so.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Yet friend, we still can't get around no shields being mentioned or even alluded to being there. We can't get around that NOT ONCE in Thanos' entire history have there been invisible shields that weren't mentioned and mentioned to be breaking or broken.. NOT ONCE.

The other fact, that makes it even more clear there was no shields... The artist in the prior comic.. actually DRAWS a shield.. we see it.. we even see it broken. Why on God's green earth would the artist then NOT draw ANY shield what so ever... or even draw one being broken like we saw with Thor. That completly defies not only consistency but logic. You're telling me the artist would draw one and make it clear there is one.. then the very next comic would go.. you know what.. I'm not going to draw a thing.. I'm not even going to mention a thing.. I'm not even goiing to mention them being broken... That makes zero logical sense.

Lastly, the difference is, and I thought this was made clear by the presentation of the comic.. Odin was STEPPING up his attacks. He was getting more and more annoyed with Thanos and increasing his attacks accordingly. would you not agree Odin was ramping things up as time went along? All the instances you show where Thanos was blown backwards were after said stepping up.. whiich clearly explain why it was effecting Thanos more. Odin's first shot.. put down Drax with ease.. He figured it would do the same to Thanos.. but as we all know.. Thanos is well above them.. So it didn't do a thing to him.. and that is exactly consistent with Odin's mentality at the time (have one shot drax already) and the writer driving home the point with artistic depiction AND narration... That Thanos is above the others.. He even has Odin say as much and is surprised that Thanos is so durable. Hence him stepping it up as time goes on.. It's very easy to example why actually.

However, I'm not saying your opinion on the matter is wrong(it makes sense as well.) I simply don't agree with it as much as I agree with the aforementioned.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I know it's not, show me where I said it was the same guy. Point is, the next artist didn't read the prior comic.. is that what you're expecting me to believe. He saw the previous artist draw a shield... draw a shield breaking.. yet goes.. nah.. f consistency.. I'm going the COMPLETE opposite direction as the previous comic.. Yep, that is some logic there..

Originally posted by Nihilist
the shield was at arms length and he had to hold that shield, did you see him holding one against Odin? Nah we didn't.

The sheild always carry the consistency of being circular in shape , plus all the shielding featured in stories wrote by Starlin so yeah I think he would know a little about how Thanos work and look like and get the artist to depict it so.

And an elliptical splash isn't circular. Genius at work here.

ODG... Does thanos have his shields up at all times.. I need a good laugh... the day is ending.... Come on man, make it happen for me.

You still haven't addressed the fact that you said Thanos having or not having a shield doesn't matter much.. just like it didn't matter against Thor. Then going further to say.. if Thor could break it.. why couldn't Odin... Sure, one of Thanos' inferior shielding... Does Thanos have superior shielding he could've brought to the fight with Odin?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
ODG... Does thanos have his shields up at all times.. I need a good laugh... the day is ending.... Come on man, make it happen for me.

You still haven't addressed the fact that you said Thanos having or not having a shield doesn't matter much.. just like it didn't matter against Thor. Then going further to say.. if Thor could break it.. why couldn't Odin... Sure, one of Thanos' inferior shielding... Does Thanos have superior shielding he could've brought to the fight with Odin?

Similar to the one you were trying to peddle against Galan007 and acting like if this isn't the first time Thanos uses invisible shielding without accompanying exposition, then it could never have occurred here in this scene... for the first time. Smart, that one.

Do you continually beg questions of an impertinent and impotent nature? Yes. Yes, you do. How's your Thanos going dumb blonde security blanket feel? Comfy, I bet... even as it's full of holes.

Originally posted by Galan007
Like I said earlier: I understand the arguments being made on both sides-- and they all make sense. However, the opinion that Thanos' shields were up initially, is both logical, and, depending on personal interpretation, also supported by on panel occurrences(of which I posted above.) That said, ODG's stance is perfectly logical, and frankly, one that I'd tend to agree with.

However, I'm not saying your opinion on the matter is wrong(it makes sense as well.) I simply don't agree with it as much as I agree with the aforementioned.

Of course, and you're entitled to your own opinion on the matter. The only thing I would disagree on is that it's more logical to take the side of the shield or that the evidence is the same in quantity and quality.

On one hand we have:

1. No shield drawn (claiming that is a clear shield isn't evidence of a shield) many have pointed out it's very unclear if it is or isn't.. that isn't solid evidence. But what we do know is no shield was drawn.

2. We have no shield mentioned or even implied to be there

3. We have no shield metioned to be breaking or broken

4. The prior artist had a shield drawn for all to see... he even had a broken shield be drawn.. Subsequent artist who clearly and undoubtedly saw the previous comic and was well versed on what was going on. One would logically think would try to keep things consistent.. Logically one would thnk he would draw a shield just like in the previous comic. That is more logically than him doing the exact opposite and saying screw consistency

5. Thanos in his entire history has never had an invisible shield NEVER mentioned or alluded to or said to be breaking or broken. Not one time.

Then the other side

1. We have what looks like a blast going around him and not touching him...

Really what else is there.. Oohhhh wait..

2. Thanos should've brought shields to the fight..

The evidence is clearly on one sides favor and I'm not sure how it could be viewed otherwise. If you believe that ambigous "representation" of a shield trumps the other facts.. then that's cool with me. but the evidence isn't the same imo.

Originally posted by ODG
Yes, because Thanos not having his shielding up at all times means he didn't have his shields up against Odin. The naive childishness of your red herring should have provided you humor enough already. But something tells me you're just angry that you're trying to salvage an argument with an obvious false absolute fallacy.

Do you continually beg questions of an impertinent and impotent nature? Yes. Yes, you do. How's your Thanos going dumb blonde security blanket feel? Comfy, I bet... even as it's full of holes.

LULZ HAHHA.. Thanks bud, I appreciate the good laugh. Of course, what makes that theory even more laughable is clear instances when he hasn't... Hulk punching him "must've" broken it in one shot.. The Thing punching him "must've" broken in in one shot. Mar-Vell punching Thanos "must've" broken it in one shot.. shit.. Spiderman must've broken his shield in one shot... This list of laughable examples that show his shields aren't always up and not always up in battle make you look like an utter fool to try and peddle that theory. If thanos always had his shields up.. those blows would have never touched him like they were shown to do.. and certainly not in one blow.