Ok, I want to use these scans first. This is an unleashed Zom Strange. Zom was able to completely get rid of Strange so that he could tap into his full potential. Hulk even states that Zom is stronger than ever but Hulk was able to match him AND hurt him.
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/IncredibleHulksChaosWar/IncredibleHulks619006.jpg
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/IncredibleHulksChaosWar/IncredibleHulks619007.jpg
Originally posted by carver9Because Hulk is an expert on demonology.
Ok, I want to use these scans first. This is an unleashed Zom Strange. Zom was able to completely get rid of Strange so that he could tap into his full potential. Hulk even states that Zom is stronger than ever but Hulk was able to match him AND hurt him.http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/IncredibleHulksChaosWar/IncredibleHulks619006.jpg
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/IncredibleHulksChaosWar/IncredibleHulks619007.jpg
Originally posted by carver9
Ok, I want to use these scans first. This is an unleashed Zom Strange. Zom was able to completely get rid of Strange so that he could tap into his full potential. Hulk even states that Zom is stronger than ever but Hulk was able to match him AND hurt him.http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/IncredibleHulksChaosWar/IncredibleHulks619006.jpg
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/IncredibleHulksChaosWar/IncredibleHulks619007.jpg
Zom was tossing him around after those scans then the fight was interrupted.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
bluewater, don't forget to read my reply to you regarding your compelling arguments.At the start of the thread, ZackFair, NemeBro, Jakethebank, Dieseldude, juggerman and I said Prime.
You and carver said team Avengers.
Actually Carver said Prime.
Here's his very first message:
Originally posted by carver9
Everyone dies while WWH and Prime goes at it.
Here's his second:
Originally posted by carver9
Hulk gives him a fight but he would "probably" lose in the end..
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=569460&pagenumber=1
So you are quite wrong in saying no one's mind has been changed, and you are also wrong in saying Carver is not a good choice to prove that.
Actually, I take that back -- Carver is not a good choice for YOU to try and use to prove your point; THAT much I agree with.
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On the other hand, given that convincing the opposition isn't the point of most debates anyway, the point is moot. My spending that much time with you on it is little more than courtesy.
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Back to the main arguments of the thread.
As I began to say before, Prime does not fully operate as a pre-Crisis Kryptonian beyond Infinite Crisis 4.
He appears at war with himself.
In a very real sense, it appears his ravaged mind has led to a breakdown of the pre-Crisis powerset and abilities one would expect a pre-Crisis Kryptonian from his era to have.
Hence, immediately after confronting Connor, the person who mirrors what Prime himself envisioned himself to be, no doubt dealing with unendurable guilt,
if not already irredeemably mad from the realization of what his "shifting the center" from Oa actually entailed (i.e. the lives of several thousand)
we see the stammering Prime engage Connor in a desperate and futile struggle to recover his lost Superboy/hero persona.
On a subconscious level Prime knows he is in the wrong.
He fights against himself, and is at visibly reduced power.
It is as if his mind will not allow the villain he has become to access his full power and give it full reign.
He has become vincible and vulnerable.
Proof?
Note the attack of post-Crisis creatures like Krypto now draws blood, something that in all likelihood would not have affected Prime in his "true" 1980s incarnation.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14023813
More than this?
Prime is ALREADY bleeding before Krypto's bite.
From his nose.
As seen here:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14023823
There is, then, the VERY strong suggestion that Prime got bloodied by Connor punching him there, something, that, AGAIN, the "Prime is pre-Crisis" model would NOT predict.
Yet Prime IS still fighting, and soon his irrevocable defining action takes place. Purely by accident, Prime KILLS a Teen Titans member by backhanding her too hard.
The event is undeniable and traumatizing to Prime:
Originally posted by carver9
Zom is an abstract being..universal and Strange had a fraction of his power. Enough of it that he could destroy Earth just by snapping his fingers.
An addition to my scan.
Zom is stronger than ever.
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/IncredibleHulksChaosWar/IncredibleHulks619010.jpg
Zom was defeated by a spell that released Strange (the old power).
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/IncredibleHulksChaosWar/IncredibleHulks620009.jpg
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Actually Carver said Prime.Here's his very first message:
Here's his second:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=569460&pagenumber=1
So you are quite wrong in saying no one's mind has been changed, and you are also wrong in saying Carver is not a good choice to prove that.
Actually, I take that back -- Carver is not a good choice for YOU to try and use to prove your point; THAT much I agree with.
Lol, my point was that YOUR arguments had not convinced anyone. What was the gist of what you said last time? If you're going to quote someone, at least try to do it accurately? I forget, and as you can see, I am not doing it quite accurately, lol.
Feel free to provide proof that it was thanks to you, that carver switches his allegiance from Prime to Hulk.
If you can't, then as a courtesy, you may as well acknowledge that you were making stuff up.
In one of the sidebar tie-in issues of Infinite Crisis, we see the Flashes flurry Prime. Faced with their barrage in that issue, Prime flurries back.
It's worth noting that none of Prime's speedy punches carry enough force to do more than push the speedsters back then, and if someone wants a reminder, I can post a scan of that later.
In the main series however, the Flashes waste no time doing anything except removing Prime from the Titans, who, completely out of control, tries to get them to release them with an attack that, save for Jay Garrick's helmet, MIGHT have claimed the life of yet another hero.
As a partial aside, but regarding the main debate of this thread, it's worth noting that reflective metal proves ample protection against Prime's heat vision, despite proof that they can slice through hard-bodied Superman himself.
