She Hulks vs. Team

Originally posted by SamZED
How come noone factors Armor. Last i checked she could surround herself with a hugeass class 100+ armor.

I'm not well versed on Armor, so she could be a factor, also I thought Armor was a Hindu Indian male character so I'm very clued out here. Good point though, and this should be taken into account for the larger team. As should Bety's best haymaker.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
As aforementioned, Storm has been shown capable of blowing Hulks away with no problem. All she has to do is slow down their progress given them time to be worn down by her lightning, Ms Marvels energy attacks and Betsys TP and TK.

A mind controlled character falls short of the performance of the normal characters battle prowess when factoring in scientific minds like Banner's, and his capacity to turn a disadvantage into a strength, like the way he did against the U-Foes. Focusing on the Cable, Storm, vs Mind controlled merged Hulk has it's points, but it fails to mention fine context that could have worked in Banners advantage had he been of sound mind.

The idea that the She Hulk's can leap to the point of flight, while breaking mach two is also something that needs addressing, because they would be within the range of bullet speeds, which would close the gap between the two teams, and allow for things to become up close and personal. You can't, or should not attempt to just paint the She Hulk's into a corner, and slap a useless flag on them to somehow indicate that their powers would be useless in this battle, because if Betsy were to be taken out, the odds would shift heavily to the trios favor.

The She Hulks win it.

Just need to grab any member of team 2 and fire them at Storm - no chance of Storm surviving a projectile from one of the She Hulks.

The winds aren't going to do anything to She-Rulk, she can ThunderClap just as well as Rulk.

The TP attack method might work, but it isn't going to work instantly so with 3 fast moving and far stronger opponents on the field, TP is not an attack method to apply.

Also, the She Hulks could all just ground and pound to create further projectiles and to make the battleground an obstacle course - with debris capable of knocking out most of Team 2.

Between Storm, Carol and Armor (who has shown the ability to generate multiple armors to protect allies) this is a good fight. The She Hulk's are damn formidable though.

Or She Hulk breaks the 4th wall.

Like, erm, here:

Originally posted by janus77
The winds aren't going to do anything to She-Rulk, she can ThunderClap just as well as Rulk.

Her winds worked fine on WWH, Phoenixerine, have punched clear through mountains, and even strained Phoenix Jean's tk defenses. Not sure where you're coming to that conclusion.

Storm almost killed savage hulk with her lightning and she had to re-start his heart.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Storm almost killed savage hulk with her lightning and she had to re-start his heart.

That was the Merged Banner/Hulk, while being under the influence of Onslaught. Not Savage Hulk unless there was another fight that i do not recall offhand.

Originally posted by Stoic
That was the Merged Banner/Hulk, while being under the influence of Onslaught. Not Savage Hulk unless there was another fight that i do not recall offhand.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Cable's TP attack made savage hulk to appear when storm nearly killed him.

Yeah That wasn't the Savage Hulk. it was merged Banner/Hulk, that was mind controlled by Onslaught.

Originally posted by Stoic
Yeah That wasn't the Savage Hulk. it was merged Banner/Hulk, that was mind controlled by Onslaught.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That doesn't looks good for hulk anyway as merged hulk was more powerful than savage hulk..

So was the Abomination, but look what happened to him after 5 minutes of Savage Hulk amping up to match and exceed his power. You might not want to use that scene as an indication of Storm being able to put that version of the Hulk down, because that same version of the Hulk took heavy lightning strikes from Thor when the fought in the arctic.

Originally posted by Stoic
So was the Abomination, but look what happened to him after 5 minutes of Savage Hulk amping up to match and exceed his power. You might not want to use that scene as an indication of Storm being able to put that version of the Hulk down, because that same version of the Hulk took heavy lightning strikes from Thor when the fought in the arctic.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Merged hulk had the same or even greater amping rate than savage hulk and a higher baseline strength, that's why I said "more powerful". Yeah, that's why we have low showings and high showings.

I'm not sure what they did with the Merged Hulk after peter David left the book. I mean the Hulk at that period got so mad that he reverted to human level, and had the Savage Hulk's mentality. Merged Hulk was good in the beginning but quickly turned to poo. Not sure if he could amp past a certain point is what I'm saying. All the same, Betty's powers work differently than other Hulks do so.....

Originally posted by Stoic
I'm not sure what they did with the Merged Hulk after peter David left the book. I mean the Hulk at that period got so mad that he reverted to human level, and had the Savage Hulk's mentality. Merged Hulk was good in the beginning but quickly turned to poo. Not sure if he could amp past a certain point is what I'm saying. All the same, Betty's powers work differently than other Hulks do so.....

Originally posted by abhilegend
The "savage banner" restriction came from PAD himself. It was placed by hulk's subconscious as a trigger when he becomes too angry, he reverted to bruce with savage hulk's mind. Merged hulk while completely calm manhandled red norvell like a child, went toe to toe with a berserk thor for hours at his baseline strength, floored juggernaut with two punches and was going toe to toe with PG drax while calm and moondragon feared he would've killed drax if he got angry while savage hulk was shown inferior to drax while angry. Merged hulk was a beast.

Some of that I did not know because I ran away from several issues. I know that Merged Hulk was a beast, he nearly floored the Abomination with one hit, and he was the size of a mouse when he did this, which happened right after Thanos reduced him to that size. The thing here is that he would have likely did much better against Cable and Storm if he were in his right mind. I mean he defeated X-Factor rather handily, up until Havok really poured it on, but even that shot was unable to put him out. Lyra is under the same calm state rules that Merged Hulk was under, that in a calm state she remains, or grows stronger.

A few people brought up some good points in concerns to the larger team of this thread. Armor isn't a non factor, nor is Psylocke, Storm, or Ms. Marvel albeit to a lesser degree. I think that whatever team wins won't be walking away without bruises.