Dooku fled because the Clone Wars would be a much shorter cartoon series if he'd lopped their god damn heads off during that fight.
Dooku spent the entire fight fending them off with no weapon, embarrassing them when he had one, and flooring them with lightning. From the lightning alone it's obvious he could have ended it with the force whenever he wanted too.
Originally posted by Tzeentch._
I don't think swapping Savage with Maul is enough to tip the scales.
Maul >>> Opress in Sabers:
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
LOL I've found the Maul vs Savage fight:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2s5H4kbmjw
It's at around 6:40.
And from the last episodes showings he's probably close to Dooku in the Force as well.
Anytime people who are armed with lightsabers fail to kill someone who doesn't have any weapon in their hand at all, it is an embarrassment for the people with the lightsabers.
Dooku could have murdered them both with the force, or with his blade. There's no doubt about it.
The question is, could Maul change the outcome if he took Savage's place? Considering his poor performance against Obi-Wan recently I heavily doubt it. But I haven't seen any of his other fights in the series thus far.
Originally posted by Tzeentch._
Anytime people who are armed with lightsabers fail to kill someone who doesn't have any weapon in their hand at all, it is an embarrassment for the people with the lightsabers.
Yes but the reason he was disarmed in the first place was because of Opress.
And he only kept Opress at bay with Force Lightning. That won't work on Maul.
Originally posted by Tzeentch._
The question is, could Maul change the outcome if he took Savage's place? Considering his poor performance against Obi-Wan recently I heavily doubt it.
Maul did ok. It was Opress who got screwed up. Maul ended the fight by tossing Obi-Wan away.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Has that scene occurred yet?
Yeah in same episode just screened where Obi-Wan fights them.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
[B]Yes but the reason he was disarmed in the first place was because of Opress.
And Anakin was disarmed by Obi-Wan during their duel, and Maul was *****-slapped off a cliff by Qui-Gon in TPM, and Yoda got knocked on his ass by Sideous. Unless you're impyling that Dooku is a superior fighter without his lightsaber than he is with one, I'm not sure what your point is. There is a reason why neither Savage nor Ventress could lay a finger on him when he didn't have his lightsaber.
And he only kept Opress at bay with Force Lightning. That won't work on Maul.It won't work because... why? Because Maul tanked the lightning of a random no-name Witch who's strength in the force is completely ambiguous and unquantified?
Maul did ok. It was Opress who got screwed up.If Maul had been doing okay, the fight would have never reached the point where Savage ends up losing an arm.
Maul ended the fight by tossing Obi-Wan away.But he didn't win it, otherwise Obi-Wan would have been dead.
Originally posted by Tzeentch._
And Anakin was disarmed by Obi-Wan during their duel, and Maul was *****-slapped off a cliff by Qui-Gon in TPM, and Yoda got knocked on his ass by Sideous. Unless you're impyling that Dooku is a superior fighter without his lightsaber than he is with one, I'm not sure what your point is. There is a reason why neither Savage nor Ventress could lay a finger on him when he didn't have his lightsaber.
Anakin also disarmed Obi-Wan. Maul still had his weapon. Sidious also got knocked on his ass by Yoda.
But if Dooku was >>> Savage and Ventress like your claiming he would never have ended up in such an embarassing position of being on his ass without a weapon without at least doing the same back to his 2 opponents.
And the only reason Savage couldn't hit Dooku after he was disarmed was due to Dooku's Force Lightning keeping him at bay. That won't work against Maul.
Originally posted by Tzeentch._
It won't work because... why? Because Maul tanked the lightning of a random no-name Witch who's strength in the force is completely ambiguous and unquantified?
When AOTC Obi-Wan can catch Dooku's Lightning with his Lightsaber, you would have to be crazy to think Current Maul whose tossing CW Obi-Wan around with the Force, couldn't do the same.
Maul's not a powered up freak with no training like Opress. He has power, skill and extensive training to back him up.
Originally posted by Tzeentch._
If Maul had been doing okay, the fight would have never reached the point where Savage ends up losing an arm.
By this logic Mace's performance against Sidious was poor because his 3 companions died.
Maul's actually already proven in the same episode that he can take Savage out a lot more easily than Obi-Wan did. Opress is almost a non-factor to Maul.
Originally posted by Tzeentch._
But he didn't win it, otherwise Obi-Wan would have been dead.
I never claimed Maul won. Just that his performance against Obi-Wan wasn't poor. If it was then Obi-Wan would have injured him, or at least put him on his ass. And he would have at least come close to defeating Maul earlier in their one on one.
But FYI your definition of Obi-Wan having to die to lose makes Obi-Wan invincible because we know he can't die for the convenience of the plot.
And from the last episodes showings he's probably close to Dooku in the Force as well.
WTF, why do you think that? Just because Maul pushed Obi-Wan on the wall? Or maybe because he drop that ship? Yeah, that ship have probably great force defence...
Maul was unable to catch Obi, or Ventress with the force... Also we never seen him using lightning.
Dooku on the other hand was able to destroy many opponents with nice mix of choke and lightning... (Bulq, Skywalker, Ventress and sisters...)
He was also albe to suckesfully use move objects and choke on Kenobi (while people like Ventress or Savage just catch their enemys, and don't know what to do next....).
And finally, Dooku was able to takes Asajj lightsabers from her with the force.
Maul is really close, for sure!
But if Dooku was >>> Savage and Ventress like your claiming he would never have ended up in such an embarassing position of being on his ass without a weapon without at least doing the same back to his 2 opponents.
Technically, he is far above them. He lost his saber only becasue he wasn't able to suckesfully block Savage's brutal strikes.
I never claimed Maul won. Just that his performance against Obi-Wan wasn't poor.
I agree here, Maul fights very well in this two duels. Savage's lost arm was his own failure.
Originally posted by ZettWTF, why do you think that? Just because Maul pushed Obi-Wan on the wall? Or maybe because he drop that ship? Yeah, that ship have probably great force defence...
Maul was unable to catch Obi, or Ventress with the force... Also we never seen him using lightning.
Dooku on the other hand was able to destroy many opponents with nice mix of choke and lightning... (Bulq, Skywalker, Ventress and sisters...)
He was also albe to suckesfully use move objects and choke on Kenobi (while people like Ventress or Savage just catch their enemys, and don't know what to do next....).
And finally, Dooku was able to takes Asajj lightsabers from her with the force.Maul is really close, for sure!
I never claimed he's Dooku's equal in the force now. But I think the days of saying Dooku would just rag doll Maul with the Force are gone.
Here look:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_e7I4g_Rug
At 2:55 he levitates Obi-Wan. It's very similar to the move Dooku did to him in ROTS.
And the Force push at 3:15 is pretty bas ass.
You can talk about the Jedi ship having no force defense, but end of the day it's a feat beyond anything we've seen from the likes of Obi-Wan or Ventress. And the situation he did it in was quite impressive.
He was injured, deflecting attacks, and pulled the ship down pretty quick and from a distance, and with just one hand.
Originally posted by Zett
Technically, he is far above them. He lost his saber only becasue he wasn't able to suckesfully block Savage's brutal strikes.
What I'm saying is if Opress and Ventress were so utterly outmatched, then that shouldn't have happened.
Originally posted by Zett
I agree here, Maul fights very well in this two duels. Savage's lost arm was his own failure.
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But I think the days of saying Dooku would just rag doll Maul with the Force are gone.
I never think, that Dooku can destroy Maul by the force without any problem. Maul was a beast, with incredible stamina. The way, that Dooku defeat Kenobi on Invisible Hand, shouldn't work against Maul in my opinion.
Anyway, despite this, Dooku is still superior with the force to guys like Maul, or even Windu. I mean, his powers may* means nothing against them, but still he can successfully use it against different opponents, like Obi-Wan, Asajj or Sora Bulq (Windu fights both - Sora and Asajj, and wasn't able to find clear advantage with the force).
You're right - Maul's catch Kenobi was quite similiar as Dooku. But he was in much better situation then Dooku - he has Savage's help, while Dooku was alone against two opponents. And finally - Dooku's action leads him to victory over Obi-Wan. Maul's not quit well.
*That "may"... i mean, its still gives Dooku a little advantage over... Windu or Maul for example. But its still not enough to defeat them only by the force.