Darth Maul & Ventress -VS- Count Dooku & General Grievous

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
[B]Anakin also disarmed Obi-Wan. Maul still had his weapon. Sidious also got knocked on his ass by Yoda.

So, in your mind, Dooku is a better fighter without his lightsaber than he is with one?

When AOTC Obi-Wan can catch Dooku's Lightning with his Lightsaber, you would have to be crazy to think Current Maul whose tossing CW Obi-Wan around with the Force, couldn't do the same.

No, Dooku would easily ragdoll Maul no problem.

By this logic Mace's performance against Sidious was poor because his 3 companions died.

No one is going to ever argue that Mace is Sideous' superior in sabers. Literally the only reason he managed to defeat Sideous was due to Vapaad.

But FYI your definition of Obi-Wan having to die to lose makes Obi-Wan invincible because we know he can't die for the convenience of the plot.

Originally posted by Tzeentch._
And neither Savage nor Ventress could land a single hit on Dooku once he'd lost his lightsaber. So, in your mind, Dooku is a better fighter without his lightsaber than he is with one?

No because he didn't start using Force Lightning to control Opress until he lost his Lightsaber (which was due to Opress btw).

Originally posted by Tzeentch._
You think Maul is Dooku's equal in the force? LOL.

No, Dooku would easily ragdoll Maul no problem.

Dude that's crazy. No I've already told Zett here on this very thread that I'm Not saying Maul is Dooku's equal in the Force.

But the days of saying he would ragdoll him with the Force are clearly gone.

Originally posted by Tzeentch._
No one is going to ever argue that Mace is Sideous' superior in sabers. Literally the only reason he managed to defeat Sideous was due to Vapaad.

But even with Vapaad, he couldn't stop Sidious killing Fisto while they were both dueling him.

There's also the fact that Skywalker couldn't stop Dooku force choking Obi-Wan, and yet he defeated Dooku by himself.

Or the fact that Anakin couldn't stop Ventress flooring and disarming Obi-Wan. Does that make Ventress superior to Anakin? Nah.

But hey I actually agree with you that Kenobi is > Maul in Sabers. I just think your exaggerating the difference between them.

Originally posted by Tzeentch._
This would only be true if we saw Maul dominating Obi-Wan. We never saw him do so at any point within the fight.

Have you seen the fight?? Maul dominates Obi-Wan twice with the Force. The second time is the end of the fight. Obi-Wan's lying under rubble trying to stay conscious not holding on to his weapons, while Maul is just fine.

I'm pretty sure Obi-Wan has evaded blows from Ventress unarmed before (TCW's movie, perhaps?), even though she's definitely a challenge for him in a duel.

Dooku would not have a problem, especially with Grievous, his trainee, with him

Asajj would own Grievous just like she did on Dathomir, and Maul would assault Dooku with barbaric assaults and dun moch, and may as well use his prosthetic legs, but not too frequently, for Dooku is a fast and tricky fencer, and spams lighting like Palpatine. But he managed to dodge allof Obi-Wan's dual blows in Season 5 episode 1. I think Maul could hold Grievous in air too while Asajj finishes him off. I also think that Maul could work with Ventress more effectively, as their tactics were similar and knowable, as they were both assassins. Asajj wasted Dooku's energy on Serenno with the help of two Nightsisters, but Maul is something else. I say team one wins.

Dooku can solo this fairly easily if it's the Serano retreat. He can toss Ventress out the window and proceed to kill Maul before Ventress can recover.

I doubt Ventress would be tossed away just like that.

Yeah, he's never treated her that casually outside of Dark Rendezvous.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah, he's never treated her that casually outside of Dark Rendezvous.

He was able to toss her and 2 of her sisters and electrocute them while blind and poisoned. I don't see why he wouldn't be able to.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
He was able to toss her and 2 of her sisters and electrocute them while blind and poisoned. I don't see why he wouldn't be able to.

I think he got her by surprise because she showed later she could catch his FL with her Saber.

Really, Dooku should be able to ragdoll people of Asajj's caliber based on the ROTS text. But in practice, such defeats seem to hinge on the element of surprise and lapses in an adversary's concentration.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
He was able to toss her and 2 of her sisters and electrocute them while blind and poisoned. I don't see why he wouldn't be able to.

After an extensive fight.

He can definitely Force push her around. That's for sure. But a finishing blow won't come any second he wants especially not while fighting off a second opponent.

And let's not forget Dooku and Ventress had that one on one after the Opress/Dooku/Ventress three way. And it's not like it was an instant win for Dooku. He did have to fight her first.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
He was able to toss her and 2 of her sisters and electrocute them while blind and poisoned. I don't see why he wouldn't be able to.