Originally posted by Mindset
What happens when Banes punches his face clean off?
Bane doesn't have enough power for one punch knockouts. After all, Batman survived multiple hits to the face from Bane. Even if he had a cowl, his chin is exposed, and that's what you hit to get a knockout.
Besides, Boyka's knee strikes are strong enough to shatter bone.
Originally posted by FrothBytePunches through concrete, he will break Uri's face off.
Bane doesn't have enough power for one punch knockouts. After all, Batman survived multiple hits to the face from Bane. Even if he had a cowl, his chin is exposed, and that's what you hit to get a knockout.Besides, Boyka's knee strikes are strong enough to shatter bone.
Batman is Batman.
Originally posted by Mindset
Punches through concrete, he will break Uri's face off.Batman is Batman.
That wasn't a pure concrete pillar though. And Boyka's flying knees can break bone... And Bane will still have to hit Boyka first. It will be easier for Boyka to break off Bane's mask than Bane can get a clean hit at Boyka.
Originally posted by Mindset
Batman wasn't really out of shape though.And he had bio mechanic enhancement for at least one leg, probably something similar for any damaged part of his body, since he had the tech, but that's conjecture.
Wayne was limping and couldn't walk without a cane just a few days before he fought Bane. He also stopped fighting for what, 8 years? What do you mean he wasn't out of shape? Anyone who stops training/fighting for that long is bound to be rusty.
Add to that the fact that the doctor showed how messed up Wayne's body was... so you can't claim that he wasn't out of shape.
Originally posted by FrothByteYou're right, it was rebar reinforced concrete.
That wasn't a pure concrete pillar though. And Boyka's flying knees can break bone... And Bane will still have to hit Boyka first. It will be easier for Boyka to break off Bane's mask than Bane can get a clean hit at Boyka.
Originally posted by FrothByteThat was an act.
Wayne was limping and couldn't walk without a cane just a few days before he fought Bane. He also stopped fighting for what, 8 years? What do you mean he wasn't out of shape? Anyone who stops training/fighting for that long is bound to be rusty.Add to that the fact that the doctor showed how messed up Wayne's body was... so you can't claim that he wasn't out of shape.
Yea, and seconds later he repelled down the side of the building.
Also, did you miss the part of the movie and my post where he got tech for his body?
Bane wins, get over it, commie lover.
Originally posted by FrothByteYou mean a fully armored Batman that was still capable of going through groups of supposedly highly trained mercenaries.
What feats? Bane beat an out of condition Batman. Showed he's strong enough to carry Batman over his head and punch through semi-concrete pillars. Other than that, he doesn't exactly have that many feats.
Despite whatever you want to believe Batman was still a massive threat as shown when taking on Bane's armed thugs. That alone gives Batman better feats than anything Boyka did and Bane handled Batman.
It also took one of Batman's forearm blades to damage the mask, something capable of cutting a sword in half. It's not like the mask is easily damaged.
As for speed and skill you guys are just basing it on looks. Bane was fast enough to catch a punch from Batman in his hands, and take out 3 armed security guards before they could do anything.
What has Boyka done that's similar or even close to that, something other than he looked cool while taking out prison thugs.
The only legit threat he took on was Micheal Jai White's character who was going to beat him in the first match until the people hosting it cheated so Boyka could win. In the second fight he beat Boyka straight up and broke his leg, if I remember correctly, with very little training in that area of fighting.
So just as a reminder.
Boyka beats prison chums , and loses to the only legit threat he comes up against.
Bane beats up a fully armored human being that can take on groups of armed men and Bane did it a methodical fashion like it was nothing to him but play time.
The only reason I see people picking Boyka is because he looked cooler while losing cause he was played by a legit real life fighter, while Bane didn't look as cool cause he was played by an actor who doesn't have the same real world fighting background.
Originally posted by Newjak
I didn't know there was a 3 with him in it 😛But unless he did something majorly better in it than he did in 2 I think most of points still stand.
Well, he was the main character. He beat the shit out of the main fighter (Dolor) with a ****ed up knee. Check out his fights against the champions from the other prisons.
Originally posted by PsychotronThat's cool he was the main fighter I liked him as a character in 2, but does that really change anything.
Well, he was the main character. He beat the shit out of the main fighter (Dolor) with a ****ed up knee. Check out his fights against the champions from the other prisons.
I went on Wikipedia and read about it. It seems like he was pretty much doing the same stuff he was doing in 2 only this time he had a bad knee and he won at the end.
1) kick through brick, 2) beat groups of armed mercenaries.
And Bane still handled Batman fairly easily.
Originally posted by PsychotronBatman used his forearm blades to arm the mask to weaken Bane, other than that the face mask was fine after taking all kinds of punches from an armored up Batman, and Catwoman shot him with guns from the Batpod. Pretty sure Boyka would have died from all that.
And then Batman took him out and Catwoman killed him. Bane was a failure.Boyka beat the top fighters from the other prisons and beat the doped up Dolor with a screwed up knee. He's clearly superior to Bane in everything but strength. One knee to the mask and it's all over.
How is he clearly better than Bane in everything except strength?
Bane is fast enough to catch a punch from Batman in his hand.
Tell me besides flashy fighting what has Boyka done that is better?
Originally posted by Newjak
You mean a fully armored Batman that was still capable of going through groups of supposedly highly trained mercenaries.Despite whatever you want to believe Batman was still a massive threat as shown when taking on Bane's armed thugs. That alone gives Batman better feats than anything Boyka did and Bane handled Batman.
It also took one of Batman's forearm blades to damage the mask, something capable of cutting a sword in half. It's not like the mask is easily damaged.
What has Boyka done that's similar or even close to that, something other than he looked cool while taking out prison thugs.
The only legit threat he took on was Micheal Jai White's character who was going to beat him in the first match until the people hosting it cheated so Boyka could win. In the second fight he beat Boyka straight up and broke his leg, if I remember correctly, with very little training in that area of fighting.
Boyka beats prison chums , and loses to the only legit threat he comes up against.
Oh please, highly trained mercenaries?? Catwoman was mowing them down like average joes. Heck, these "highly trained" mercenaries couldn't even properly hit a bunch of cops despite them having superior artillery.
Boyka wasn't taking out just prison "thugs". He took out the best fighters the prison had to offer. Even the lowliest prison fighter he fought showed far more skill than those mercenaries of Bane. Actually, even the lowliest prison fighter in the movies showed better skill than Bane himself.
Right now I'm thinking that you probably didn't watch the Undisputed movies and just based your opinions on youtube highlights. Because if you watched it, you'll know that Boyka was beating Chambers in their first match once he fully utilized his kicks and grappling. It was cut short due to the drugs, but he was dominating the 2nd half of that fight before it was stopped.
Ofcourse then later on he was beat by a quickly trained Chambers, which is about as stupid as Batman beating Bane despite just doing pushups and situps in the pit.
Then we have Undisputed 3, where Boyka beats the best champion fighters from all over the world.
SO in reality, it's Bane that only went up against ONE skilled opponent which is Batman. Everyone else he beat up showed no skill at all. And the single skilled person he went up against ended up being able to defeat him in the end.
Originally posted by Newjak
Batman used his forearm blades to arm the mask to weaken Bane, other than that the face mask was fine after taking all kinds of punches from an armored up Batman, and Catwoman shot him with guns from the Batpod. Pretty sure Boyka would have died from all that.How is he clearly better than Bane in everything except strength?
Bane is fast enough to catch a punch from Batman in his hand.
Tell me besides flashy fighting what has Boyka done that is better?
How is he not better? Have you seen any of the movies? Boyka dances circles around Bane.
So what? Batman's combat speed is not that great.
Watch U3. Boyka wrecks multiple martial arts champions with his ****ed up knee. Bane? He beat and then lost to an out shape Batman.
Originally posted by FrothByteBecause losing to Catwoman makes them weak?
Oh please, highly trained mercenaries?? Catwoman was mowing them down like average joes. Heck, these "highly trained" mercenaries couldn't even properly hit a bunch of cops despite them having superior artillery.Boyka wasn't taking out just prison "thugs". He took out the best fighters the prison had to offer. Even the lowliest prison fighter he fought showed far more skill than those mercenaries of Bane. Actually, even the lowliest prison fighter in the movies showed better skill than Bane himself.
Right now I'm thinking that you probably didn't watch the Undisputed movies and just based your opinions on youtube highlights. Because if you watched it, you'll know that Boyka was beating Chambers in their first match once he fully utilized his kicks and grappling. It was cut short due to the drugs, but he was dominating the 2nd half of that fight before it was stopped.
Ofcourse then later on he was beat by a quickly trained Chambers, which is about as stupid as Batman beating Bane despite just doing pushups and situps in the pit.
Then we have Undisputed 3, where Boyka beats the best champion fighters from all over the world.
SO in reality, it's Bane that only went up against ONE skilled opponent which is Batman. Everyone else he beat up showed no skill at all. And the single skilled person he went up against ended up being able to defeat him in the end.
I said supposedly. Even if they weren't trained there were still groups of them that were armed with guns. Boyka doesn't have a feat like that. Which means Batman is still better based on feats.
You are just judging based on what you thought looked better which you shouldn't do imo. Cause one is obviously a fighter turned actor, while the other is obviously an actor who is doing their best to portray fighting. Visually it just won't compare cause the 'REAL WORLD' skill levels are different.
You gotta look at it in context.
Bane has legit Superhuman strength feats. He is also fast enough to catch a fist thrown by Batman, who himself takes out groups of armed men. He also was able to injure and defeat a Batman who was fully armored. He can take out three armed people before they can do anything.
Boyka took on prison fighters, even if they showed a lot of skill that's what they are, one on one most times. He definitely didn't take on any groups of armed men, and if he could he probably wouldn't have been in prison at all. He lost to the world heavyweight champion in boxing after said boxer went through very little grappling and submission training.
Bane was only beaten after Batman exploited a weakness, which as far we know Boyka can not duplicate. Why can he not duplicate it because Batman was throwing his hardest punches into the mask but in the end he could only break it when one of his arm blades snagged on it. Last time I checked Boyka won't hit harder than an armored Batman and he definitely doesn't have any weapons for this fight to duplicate what it took Batman's arm blades to do.
You look at the Batman movies and because you see actors trying to portray fighters you think the characters themselves are garbage fighters, and look at the Undisputed films and you see fighters being actors and assume they are better cause they look faster, and look more skilled. But the feats show different things. Boyka doesn't have the feats to compete against Bane.