Originally posted by Newjak
Because losing to Catwoman makes them weak?I said supposedly. Even if they weren't trained there were still groups of them that were armed with guns. Boyka doesn't have a feat like that. Which means Batman is still better based on feats.
You are just judging based on what you thought looked better which you shouldn't do imo. Cause one is obviously a fighter turned actor, while the other is obviously an actor who is doing their best to portray fighting. Visually it just won't compare cause the 'REAL WORLD' skill levels are different.
You gotta look at it in context.
Bane has legit Superhuman strength feats. He is also fast enough to catch a fist thrown by Batman, who himself takes out groups of armed men. He also was able to injure and defeat a Batman who was fully armored. He can take out three armed people before they can do anything.
Boyka took on prison fighters, even if they showed a lot of skill that's what they are, one on one most times. He definitely didn't take on any groups of armed men, and if he could he probably wouldn't have been in prison at all. He lost to the world heavyweight champion in boxing after said boxer went through very little grappling and submission training.
Bane was only beaten after Batman exploited a weakness, which as far we know Boyka can not duplicate. Why can he not duplicate it because Batman was throwing his hardest punches into the mask but in the end he could only break it when one of his arm blades snagged on it. Last time I checked Boyka won't hit harder than an armored Batman and he definitely doesn't have any weapons for this fight to duplicate what it took Batman's arm blades to do.
You look at the Batman movies and because you see actors trying to portray fighters you think the characters themselves are garbage fighters, and look at the Undisputed films and you see fighters being actors and assume they are better cause they look faster, and look more skilled. But the feats show different things. Boyka doesn't have the feats to compete against Bane.
Look dude, I can understand where you're coming from. But if we don't base it on looks, then where are we supposed to base it from? There are some fighters who are better suited to one vs. many fights, some who are better in one vs one fights.
Take for example a boxer and a bjj fighter. A boxer has way better chances of taking out multiple enemies in a street fight, doesn't mean that he can take out the bjj fighter in one on one.
Batman taking out multiple enemies is due to him training specifically for that, not to mention the fact that he utilizes sneaking and surprise to accomplish some. Problem is, this is a one to one fight, and quite frankly, Nolan's Batman hasn't been too great on his one on one battles.
Bane was fast enough to catch Batman's fist, but Batman moved extremely slow though, and if you don't want to base it on looks than we do it by logic: batman was weighed down by his armored suit.
Boyka was fast enough to do multiple spinning kicks and a back flip before his opponent even fell down from his first kick. That's some insane combat speed. Neither Bane nor Batman can pull off anything that fast.
I think you are getting biased against Boyka because his moves look cool and flashy. And while I agree that they're fancy, you cannot deny that it takes extreme agility and speed to pull these things off, meaning that he can probably dance circles around Bane or Bats.
I'm not even basing this on whether real martial artists were used are actors or whatever. Just look at the movies, look at the characters, and you know that Boyka displayed way more skill than Bane. And while I agree that Bane trumps Boyka in the strength department, Boyka has him beat in speed, agility, and skill.
Besides, just coz Boyka was never shown to take on multiple armed opponents doesn't mean he can't do it. And he did take on multiple opponents in Undisputed 2, used them for training practice. 3 fighters I believe. Granted, not as impressive as Batman taking out mulitple armed opponents, but ff you gave Boyka an armored suit, batman's gadgets and Wayne's money he probably would even make a better Batman, fighting wise anyway.
Originally posted by PsychotronWhat mask weakness?
Bane is just a strong brawler, and nothing more, Boyka outclasses him in every other category. Hell, Bane doesn't even have his pain resistance here and then there's the mask weakness. It's a stomp for the most complete fighter in the world.
Uri isn't busting his mask open.
Bane is, however, punching Uri's face off and stopping communism.
Originally posted by FrothByteWe need to base it on feats.
Look dude, I can understand where you're coming from. But if we don't base it on looks, then where are we supposed to base it from? There are some fighters who are better suited to one vs. many fights, some who are better in one vs one fights.Take for example a boxer and a bjj fighter. A boxer has way better chances of taking out multiple enemies in a street fight, doesn't mean that he can take out the bjj fighter in one on one.
Batman taking out multiple enemies is due to him training specifically for that, not to mention the fact that he utilizes sneaking and surprise to accomplish some. Problem is, this is a one to one fight, and quite frankly, Nolan's Batman hasn't been too great on his one on one battles.
Bane was fast enough to catch Batman's fist, but Batman moved extremely slow though, and if you don't want to base it on looks than we do it by logic: batman was weighed down by his armored suit.
Boyka was fast enough to do multiple spinning kicks and a back flip before his opponent even fell down from his first kick. That's some insane combat speed. Neither Bane nor Batman can pull off anything that fast.
I think you are getting biased against Boyka because his moves look cool and flashy. And while I agree that they're fancy, you cannot deny that it takes extreme agility and speed to pull these things off, meaning that he can probably dance circles around Bane or Bats.
I'm not even basing this on whether real martial artists were used are actors or whatever. Just look at the movies, look at the characters, and you know that Boyka displayed way more skill than Bane. And while I agree that Bane trumps Boyka in the strength department, Boyka has him beat in speed, agility, and skill.
Batman is fast enough and skilled enough to take out multiple armed men. Without getting killed. He's fast enough to vanish when people turn their backs for a brief second even while armored.
Whether you think he looked slow while doing it is irrelevant he was still able to do it.
Originally posted by Newjak
We need to base it on feats.Batman is fast enough and skilled enough to take out multiple armed men. Without getting killed. He's fast enough to vanish when people turn their backs for a brief second even while armored.
Whether you think he looked slow while doing it is irrelevant he was still able to do it.
Well this goes both ways then. Boyka was fast enough to make a multiple spinning kick and then do a flip before his opponent fell from his first kick. Just saying...
Originally posted by FrothByteThat is a pretty good speed feat, and I'll except that. Does it mean he is fast enough to run circles around Bane I don't know.
Well this goes both ways then. Boyka was fast enough to make a multiple spinning kick and then do a flip before his opponent fell from his first kick. Just saying...
Originally posted by Newjak
That is a pretty good speed feat, and I'll except that. Does it mean he is fast enough to run circles around Bane I don't know.
It should be fast enough for him to duck around Bane's hits for a while. So the question now is, whether Bane can make a clean connect with a knockout punch or can Boyka wear down his stronger opponent with faster hits.
Take note that Bane in this scenario can feel pain, so he can't tank Boyka's hits like he did with Batman.