Originally posted by carver9
But Thing withstood 3 licks from WWH and it was stated on panel that Green Scar hits harder than Thor.http://s663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/ankur29/?action=view¤t=IncredibleHulks620027-1.jpg
Statements mean little if contradicted by actual on panel feats. Though feats, I'd concede Hulk can hit harder than Thor with Mjolnir, but Thor hitting with Mjolnir while raging pissed does shit like one shot people otherwise considered a peer to him, shatter Celestial armor, and perform other absurd feats clearly well above Ben's pay grade.
To that end, whether or not Green Scar can hit harder than Thor is irrelevant as Hulk was holding back in that instance and Thor clearly wasn't. And that wasn't even Thor's best striking feat. At all.
Originally posted by DTM
Thor should not be able to rip thru Thing with ease, as weve seen Thing fight beings in Thors level, and while losing, he does last a decent length of time. Thor one shotting Ben is going against most every fight Ben has been in.
Well, he did. Twice. And on another time, solo'd the F4.
Thor is significantly above Thing both in terms of feats and how they look when they fight one another, especially when Thor doesn't hold back.
It's really not contradictory at all.
Yes, it is, for Thing is definately is. Thor should not be able to rip Thing to pieces like nothing, not after all the Major League fights Thing has been in, and lasted quite a decent length of time. Again, Im not saying Thor loses to Thing, hell always win, and while their matches wont bring Thor to his breaking point, he also shouldnt be able to beat Thing easily. Doing so goes against just about every big fight weve seen Thing in.
Originally posted by DTM
Yes, it is, for Thing is definately is. Thor should not be able to rip Thing to pieces like nothing, not after all the Major League fights Thing has been in, and lasted quite a decent length of time. Again, Im not saying Thor loses to Thing, hell always win, and while their matches wont bring Thor to his breaking point, he also shouldnt be able to beat Thing easily. Doing so goes against just about every big fight weve seen Thing in.
When you look at what Thor is ultimately capable of when compared to Thing....I honestly don't see why it's such an extreme display of strength/power.
Thing can give Thor a decent brawl when Thor is holding back. As soon as he goes all out, he's beyond Thing, clearly and to such a degree it's borderline spite. To claim otherwise is to ignore and go against Thor's plethora of feats.
Every time they've squared off, Thing has looked mightily inferior to Thor, let alone a non-holding back one.
Yes, agreed, Thing is inferior to Thor, no one is denying that. What I am denying is that Thor can KO him with a single strike when Ben is ready for a fight (aka not a sucker punch). If this actually happened, its a very weak showing for Ben, who has made a career of fighting characters out of his weight class, and lasting a long time (Champion, Hulk, Rulk, Colossusnaut, even Thanos)
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yeah, Masterson in control of Thor's body is weaker than Thor controlling it. Namely because Masterson's noobness extended to virtually every aspect of his being, not just powers in the general sense with Mjolnir. When he was unsure of himself, he got hurt more often than he should have if he was really Thor. His strength displays were mediocre in comparison to Thor. We also have dialogue coming from his own mouth and others that while he was Thor and/or possessed the power of Thor, he wasn't the real deal.Same way how someone who mindswaps into another body can't fully access powers in the same way the original can.
I mean, we see it clearly on panel. We see a clear difference between power showings between Masterson and the real Thor. Why we're arguing it beyond me.
Originally posted by DTM
Yes, agreed, Thing is inferior to Thor, no one is denying that. What I am denying is that Thor can KO him with a single strike when Ben is ready for a fight (aka not a sucker punch). If this actually happened, its a very weak showing for Ben, who has made a career of fighting characters out of his weight class, and lasting a long time (Champion, Hulk, Rulk, even Thanos)
Given Thor's feats, with and without Mjolnir, I think the idea that Thor can't KO Thing with a single punch is kinda silly. The idea that Thor can't KO Thing with a single Mjolnir strike is highly illogical.
Thor can, at the very least, punch Ben with enough force to send him through cars on the street and elicit the same reaction as Gladiator did. Don't see how anyone can deny that at all.
Originally posted by abhilegend
ORLY? Where was thor shown to be stronger? Certainly not in this fight
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Well Done! Yeah, sure doesnt look like Masterson Thor was weaker than actual Thor from those scans, not even close (less skilled and experienced, sure, but not less powerful).
Originally posted by -Pr-
Any high herald should be able to one-shot Thing... Seriously.If you're going to argue that Thor can't do it, what about the likes of Superman, Gladiator et al?
Are Hulk, Rulk, Colossusnaut, Thanos, Champion high end herald levels? Well none of them were able to KO Thing with a single shot, none, not after 2 shots, 3, 4 or 5. Thor doing so is out of character against Thing considering none of the above lot could come close.
Originally posted by abhilegend
ORLY? Where was thor shown to be stronger? Certainly not in this fight
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If you actually read the dialogue of the comic you're touting to make Masterson = Thor, you'll see that Thor is clearly not giving his all and is second guessing continuing the fight, whereas Eric was constantly raging pissed. And if you know anything about their actual feats, it's painfully obvious that through virtue of feats Thor displayed greater examples of strength and power than Masterson did.
If you want to use this fight as proof that an extremely irate and pissed Masterson was physically equal to a mad yet conflicted Thor, be my guest. Certainly doesn't apply to histories as a whole on a consistent basis, though.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Given Thor's feats, with and without Mjolnir, I think the idea that Thor can't KO Thing with a single punch is kinda silly. The idea that Thor can't KO Thing with a single Mjolnir strike is highly illogical.Thor can, at the very least, punch Ben with enough force to send him through cars on the street and elicit the same reaction as Gladiator did. Don't see how anyone can deny that at all.
Personally, Id say your reasoning that Thor can KO Thing with a single strike, considering how many others in Thors level Thing has had extended fights with, is equally as silly. Youre giving Thor full credit, while virtually ignoring every big fight Thing has ever been in in the process.
Originally posted by DTM
Are Hulk, Rulk, Colossusnaut, Thanos, Champion high end herald levels? Well none of them were able to KO Thing with a single shot, none, not after 2 shots, 3, 4 or 5. Thor doing so is out of character against Thing considering none of the above lot could come close.
And then you look at Hulk's high end feats, Rulk's, (Piotr hasn't really done anything impressive), Thanos', and Champion's, and then you realize than they are all significantly beyond Ben.
The problem here is that you're looking exclusively at Ben's feats and don't taking into consideration Thor's own. Nor the facts that Thor, when pitted against Thing, is always written to be significantly above him while holding back. There's no shame whatsoever in Thor breaking Thing apart while damn near out of his mind. Or blasting a hole in him when forced.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
And then you look at Hulk's high end feats, Rulk's, (Piotr hasn't really done anything impressive), Thanos', and Champion's, and then you realize than they are all significantly beyond Ben
Yes, thats my point, theyre ALL above Ben, and none of them KOed him with one blow, or close to it. Yet Thor, who also is in that same above Ben level, can? Sorry, I dont buy it, and if it actually happened, its bad writing for Thing if you ask me.
Originally posted by DTM
Personally, Id say your reasoning that Thor can KO Thing with a single strike, considering how many others in Thors level Thing has had extended fights with, is equally as silly. Youre giving Thor full credit, while virtually ignoring every big fight Thing has ever been in in the process.
Not really?
Thor's best is so far beyond Ben's best it's unreal. And that's ignoring their actual fights.
I mean, yeah, Ben has the whole heart thing, but c'mon now.
