Originally posted by DTM
Yes, thats my point, theyre ALL above Ben, and none of them KOed him with one blow, or close to it. Yet Thor, who also is in that same above Ben level, can? Sorry, I dont buy it, and if it actually happened, its bad writing for Thing if you ask me.
Bad writing for Thing?
Not sure how a guy who matches Hulk in direct tests of strength, has planetary showings of physical might, can shake entire worlds with his blows if not destroy them outright, and shatter the likes of Celestial armor being able to one shot Thing is bad writing for him.
You not liking it happened doesn't mean it didn't happen or that it shouldn't have happened, not when Thor's feats are clearly above Ben's own in every way that matters.
Originally posted by DTMWeakest Thanos has one shotted Thing... Twice I believe
So Thors single strike is capable of doing something to Ben that Hulk, Rulk, Champion, Colossusnaut and Thanos could not? Thors usual (non super charged) strikes are that much above THOSE guys that that makes sense to you?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Bad writing for Thing?Not sure how a guy who matches Hulk in direct tests of strength, has planetary showings of physical might, can shake entire worlds with his blows if not destroy them outright, and shatter the likes of Celestial armor being able to one shot Thing is bad writing for him.
You not liking it happened doesn't mean it didn't happen or that it shouldn't have happened, not when Thor's feats are clearly above Ben's own in every way that matters.
With all due respect Jake, youre just not getting where Im coming from with this, and Im sure not getting what youre talking about, so were going to have to agree to disagree on this subject, I think.
http://www.logicalcreativity.com/jon/ThorVsThing.jpg
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Originally posted by JakeTheBank
If you actually read the dialogue of the comic you're touting to make Masterson = Thor, you'll see that Thor is clearly not giving his all and is second guessing continuing the fight, whereas Eric was constantly raging pissed. And if you know anything about their actual feats, it's painfully obvious that through virtue of feats Thor displayed greater examples of strength and power than Masterson did.If you want to use this fight as proof that an extremely irate and pissed Masterson was physically equal to a mad yet conflicted Thor, be my guest. Certainly doesn't apply to histories as a whole on a consistent basis, though.
Originally posted by DTM
So Thors single strike is capable of doing something to Ben that Hulk, Rulk, Champion, Colossusnaut and Thanos could not? Thors usual (non super charged) strikes are that much above THOSE guys that that makes sense to you?
A punch from Thor can achieve the same effect Gladiator's did on Ben. Given Thor's strength feats, that can't be denied.
A hammer strike from Thor can definitely KO Ben.
An angry hammer strike from a pissed Thor, by all rights, shattered Ben's jaw and arm.
I really don't know what else to tell you? If you dislike that it happened, I'm sorry, but given everything Thor's capable of, to assume that it's impossible for Thor to do what he's basically already done and exceeded on panel is to just ignore Thor's capabilities completely.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I've read the comic, thank you. The logic that thor was still holding back after eric striked sif down, is just lulzworthy. I never said masterson was as formidable as thor, thor is clearly more formidable with his experience. Also by your logic superman would be clearly stronger than captain marvel since he has way more feats and the fact that cap has failed against common enemies while superman hasn't like Ace and Kalibak despite IYO being shown as equals in their meetings. Masterson *while mindcontrolled* stalemated thor in a direct contest of strength and has similar feats of strength as thor against common enemies. Him being equal to thor in power yet being less formidable than thor is unquestionable and opposing that is just against common sense.
I'd be lying if I said I'm surprised you worked in Superman on a thread that has nothing to do with him once again, but...well, I'd be lying.
Masterson Thor's inexperience directly correlates into him not being able to properly access Thor's power and also contributes to him being staggered or hurt by stuff the real Thor wouldn't be. Not sure how you can argue with facts, but okay. 👆
Originally posted by DTM
Then clearly Thor is stronger than Thanos, who was shown to be stronger than Thor.......er.....yeah, OK.
That is a terrible strawman, and something no one is even arguing here.
Why is it you can't deal with the fact that an angry and not holding back Thor wrecked Thing with ease? I mean, that's not a low showing at all. It really isn't.
It's also completely different than a normal minded Thor, who holds back by default unless he's written by Fraction, fighting Thing.
Thing has fought Hulk plenty of times when Hulk wasnt holding back, and he was never KOed with a single strike. Champion wasnt holding back, and yet Thing stayed up for a long time in his fight with him. Thanos I doubt was holding back, and yet Thing was still conscious at the end of their battle. So youll have to excuse me if I cry foul when Thor not holding back manages to achieve something with a single strike that those mentioned above couldnt in several.
Originally posted by DTM
No, early Thanos fought an extended battle against Thing and Thor, Thing was never KOed from Thanos' impacts and was conscious at the end of the battle, yet Thanos even at that level was strong enough to fight Thor AND Thing combined (meaning he was stronger than Thor).
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Thanos/?action=view¤t=thanosownsthing.jpg
And all he did was push Thing away, and then eyebeam him. All I remember before this was them grabbing him.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Thanos/thanosvsthorandthing.jpg
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Thanos/?action=view¤t=thanoseyeblaststhorandthing.jpg
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I haven't read really any of this...But is he saying that Gladiator one shotting Thing puts him above Thor, because Thor can't one shot Thing, and if he can, he's above Thanos so it doesn't count?
Because that would put Gladiator above him too...
No, all Im saying, all Ive said since the beginning of this particular discussion, is that Thor without his hammer (or really with as well) should not be able to one-shot KO Thing, if Thing is ready for a fight. A statement I strongly support, considering Things numerous fights with beings in Thors class in his career (most of those being with Hulk)
Originally posted by DTM
No, all Im saying, all Ive said since the beginning of this particular discussion, is that Thor without his hammer (or really with as well) should not be able to one-shot KO Thing, if Thing is ready for a fight. A statement I strongly support, considering Things numerous fights with beings in Thors class in his career (most of those being with Hulk)
And are you of the mind that Gladiator can and has one shotted Thing?
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Only if you ignore Thanos casually one shotting Thing three times.Hulk's also put him down pretty easily too for that matter.
I dont see Hulk putting Thing down easily in any of these shots, which basically spans the entire Thing vs. Hulk career.
http://hero-envy.blogspot.co.nz/2012/04/hulk-vs-thing.html
I also dont see Thanos KOing Thing with his backhand, but with his energy blast, which apparently didnt fully KO him as Ben was awake a bit later in that comic.
