Originally posted by abhilegend
Galan did it first. Not when a direct comparison has been made.
Well, like I said, depends on the situation. But that's just IMO. But instances of perspective (when it's obvious that perspective occurred) and artistic symbolism would def be some of the moments wherein it would be silly to use as direct measurements.
But there ARE instances where size is very indicative in art. Not here to debate the fact as I'm enjoying just reading about it. I just happen to agree with Galan's position on the size but I agree with you on Orion's position in terms of power (I also happen to think he would take a good number of wins from Majestic due to his implied power levels).
Originally posted by abhilegendThe point is that in existing continuity, a character cannot simply 'fly' from the 4th world to the 3rd dimension without some sort of aid(ie. boom tubes).... Because they are in completely different dimensions.
Your point would be? Their histories are intact.
And just so you don't try to argue this dead horse any longer, here's scans which flat-out state the Apokolips is in a different universe/dimension than earth, and only accessible via boom tube:
Originally posted by abhilegendYou can't be serious.
How about some other renditions where apokolips was either at the same size or even bigger than earth?
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/ManOfSteel117pg09.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/WonderWomanv2173pg01.jpg
First scan: Apokolips/Warworld are CLEARLY in the foreground, while Earth is CLEARLY in the background. Why? Because Apokolips was intended to be closer to the reader, while Earth was intended to be farther away. If you have any additional questions regarding this subject, I suggest Googling "depth perception", and/or "depth of field." I honestly should not have to be explaining such simple concepts to an alleged 'comic book fan.' :-/
Second scan: Symbolism, plain and simple... Unless you think that Pluto(which is the 'planet/moon' Warworld was converted from) is the same size as Earth..? :-/
That said, the above illustrations are not, in any way/shape/form, comparable to this scene:
As you can see, Apokolips and Earth are in the same general space, and we can CLEARLY see that Earth is VASTLY larger. End of story.
That is likely why ALL of Apokolips was visible over Metropolis:
Conversely, Mageddon, which actually WAS larger than Earth, could not be viewed in its totality when it moved close to Earth, because, well, it was simply too big:
To break it down even simpler for you: Apokolips was smaller than Earth, so they were able to see the whole planet from Earth. Mageddon was larger than Earth, so they were only able to see part of it from Earth. Easy, right?
Originally posted by abhilegendIt should be discarded because more recent evidence depicts Apokolips as Moon-esque in comparison to Earth, when they are both the same scale. Again: the most recent info=most canon, so Orion 'shaking' Apokolips really dosn't impress me.
Seriously, discarding a direct comparison with artistic renditions? You are better than bran.
Three decades. Hardly that long. Nope. Good try though.
Originally posted by abhilegendThe only blitz that matters is his battle with an amped Spartan, in which he perceived/reacted to Spartan's movements on a nanosecond-by-nanosecond basis:
No, it isn't. Its in his character to make machines which takes several hundreds of seconds though. Feel free to list all those characters majestic has blitzed.
Please post scans of Orion battling with that type of speed, or I will take it as your concession that he simple ISN'T that fast. Stop dodging.
You're going nowhere Galan. That very old statement will disprove anything you can bring up.
Also, it's been mistaken for a moon twice...
http://i48.tinypic.com/o8fpm8.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/1zn0vip.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/34owwli.jpg
And a side by side of the planets:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/ActionComics782pg21.jpg
Apokolips beings used to only take up the planetary space of earth... in the same arc as the "omg it big" scan
http://i50.tinypic.com/30mtlr4.jpg
http://i47.tinypic.com/dmb712.jpg
With that said, there's no proof Earth isn't hundreds of times smaller than Apokolips.
Originally posted by Branlor SwiftLol, I thought about trying to find some more proof like this. Thanks. 👆
You're going nowhere Galan. That very old statement will disprove anything you can bring up.Also, it's been mistaken for a moon twice...
http://i48.tinypic.com/o8fpm8.jpghttp://i49.tinypic.com/1zn0vip.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/34owwli.jpgAnd a side by side of the planets:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/ActionComics782pg21.jpgApokolips beings used to only take up the planetary space of earth... in the same arc as the "omg it big" scan
http://i50.tinypic.com/30mtlr4.jpghttp://i47.tinypic.com/dmb712.jpg
With that said, there's no proof Earth isn't hundreds of times smaller than Apokolips.
...Though I doubt it will matter to him, because he has a single 30-40 year old cropped scan that is half-assly in his favor. Phuck the multiple scans we've posted.
*wonders how he will work Superman into this side of the argument..?*
Originally posted by Galan007Pretty much. His 30 year old scan (singular) is worth more proof than scans (plural) from this decade.
Lol, I thought about trying to find some more proof like this. Thanks. 👆...Though I doubt it will matter to him, because he has a single 30-40 year old cropped scan that is half-assly in his favor. Phuck the multiple scans we've posted.
*wonders how he will work Superman into this side of the argument..?*
You were doomed from the start.
Superman survived two planets smashing together that were both thousands of times bigger tha Earth, duh!
Originally posted by Branlor SwiftSilly me.
Pretty much. His 30 year old scan (singular) is worth more proof than scans (plural) from this decade.You were doomed from the start.
Superman survived two planets smashing together that were both thousands of times bigger tha Earth, duh!
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeGoing by the most recent info, Apokolips is nowhere near as big as Earth-- it's more like a Moon.
So Apokalips is most likely as big as earth, whats the problem?
^If you mean the quote, looking from a Planet up to another, even if it is as big or bigger then the own planet, the other one will appear to be something like a moon. Look at the sun, it appears to be smaller then the moon because it's farther away. So I don't exactly what you mean. Or I missed a scan? And before a smartass comes in, yeah it depends on the region you are, where the moon is at the moment etc.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
No problem with this at all.It's when a scan from a long time ago is used to make Apokolips thousands of times bigger than Earth in relation to Earth characters.
As far as I know Apokalips IS thousand times bigger and the New Gods are much bigger then Humans, in their Dimension. The Boom tubes scale everything up or down. shrug
So if Apokalips ends in the Dimension where earth is, it's as big as earth most likely.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeI realize that. That's why I said "In relation"
As far as I know Apokalips IS thousand times bigger and the New Gods are much bigger then Humans, in their Dimension. The Boom tubes scale everything up or down. shrug
So if Apokalips ends in the Dimension where earth is, it's as big as earth most likely.
^ Look at the scans. Apokolips WAS boom tubed to Earth, and it WAS the size of a Moon in comparison. If Earth were boom tubes to the 4th World, the same size difference would be retained (ie. Earth>Apok.)
When they are both the same scale(which is what myself and bran are saying), Earth is bigger than Apokolips-- even if you stretch it tremendously, Apokolips is the same size as Earth. Point here is that Apokolips is not larger than Earth at all-- let alone hundreds/thousands of times larger, as abhil said.
Originally posted by Galan007
^ Look at the scans. Apokolips WAS boom tubed to Earth, and it WAS the size of a Moon in comparison. If Earth were boom tubes to the 4th World, the same size difference would be retained (ie. Earth>Apok.)When they are both the same scale(which is what myself and bran are saying), Earth is bigger than Apokolips-- even if you stretch it tremendously, Apokolips is the same size as Earth. Point here is that Apokolips is not larger than Earth at all-- let alone hundreds/thousands of times larger, as abhil said.
I don't see a contradiction at all. Apokalips is thousands or hundreds of times bigger, if it isn't scaled down. But it is, to make life easier for writers and artist and the story. If the Boomtube wouldn't scale it down or up Apok > Earth, so most likely imho Apok = Earth with a proper Boomtube.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeBut that's not what's being argued.
I don't see a contradiction at all. Apokalips is thousands or hundreds of times bigger, if it isn't scaled down. But it is, to make life easier for writers and artist and the story. If the Boomtube wouldn't scale it down or up Apok > Earth, so most likely imho Apok = Earth with a proper Boomtube.
In relation to characters is being argued. And when characters are almost always human sized on either Earth or Apokolips, it means the Boomtube scaling things is rather irrelevant.
