Originally posted by carver9Telepathically dude, she tried to break superman's will but couldn't. This is nothing to be ashamed of, actually a high showing for her because superman couldn't completely break free without the sun amp.
Diesldude...You do know she isn't the only person that has overpowered Superman right? A lot of people have achieved this that would get stomped by KT.
Originally posted by carver9This. 👆
Diesldude...You do know she isn't the only person that has overpowered Superman right? A lot of people have achieved this that would get stomped by KT.
Cyth caused Superman no harm whatsoever by her "PC-level punches", nor did she down Supes for any length of time. As far as damage delivered is concerned, most of Superman's rogues have done a LOT better than Cyth. Konvikt has done better. Maxima has done better. Zod has done better. Lobo has done better. Doomsday has certainly done better. Etc. etc.
Dunno why she's being hyped to hell, personally. KT destroys her without much effort.
Originally posted by Galan007
This. 👆Cyth caused Superman no harm whatsoever by her "PC-level punches", nor did she down Supes for any length of time. As far as damage delivered is concerned, most of Superman's rogues have done a LOT better than Cyth. Konvikt has done better. Maxima has done better. Zod has done better. Lobo has done better. Doomsday has certainly done better. Etc. etc.
Dunno why she's being hyped to hell, personally. KT destroys her without much effort.
The thing is, she wasn't trying to kill superman, it was a casual back hand. She at first wanted superman to mate with her. He wouldnt listen, she backhanded him and then gave him an hour.
After the hour was up, superman knew he couldn't hope to win and flew to the sun knowing that he need to power up.. When did superman ever run away form konvikt, maxima, zod or doomsday like this?
Originally posted by Diesldude
Cytonna knocked superman down with a casual backhand which superman compared to the best shots the 3 pc kryptonians gave him. Those were the 3 kryptonians he was forced to execute. She is easily pc kryptonian level strenghtwise. She was also a telepath. She flew too fast for superman to react/catch. Although I think they are even speedwise because she couldnt catch superman when he flew to the sun.
When people bring up zeus and odin growing large and increasing their powers. cytonna's face was as big as the city, how much power did she increase? j/kShe even tried to overpower superman telepathically but superman has the greatestwill in creation and even then could only break out of her grasp while in close proximity to the sun which also healed him.
Once near the sun superman was on equal footing (strengh wise) and this was before superman pushed her into the sun. ONce in the sun she started to weaken and superman was able to break her hold which astonished her and she then admitted that she may be getting weak but even then she was able to freeze superman. She wasn't taking superman's powers at that time but said that she will take them and then use it to escape from her prision. She had superman in an icy grip until lois showed up and disrupted her hold. This was still not enough because superman had to use the kryptonite on her. Superman's shove/ sun's gravity and getting stunned by the green kryptonite was enough drop her into the core of the sun. So it was a combination of the gravity of the sun and the weakness induced by green k that is holding Cytonna in her prision.
She is easily stronger than KT, probably can mind control him and is a lot faster than him. She wont fight like superman via speedblitz but i dont think she needs to. Unless kt can conjure up green K, i dont see him winnning. And i dont think he is going to try to teleport her into the sun.
Why wouldn't he ? If you think he would be unaware of it , the Odinforce also greatly increased Thor's senses , so I doubt he'll refrain from using that as a solution to put her down .
Originally posted by Diesldude😂
The thing is, she wasn't trying to kill superman, it was a casual back hand. She at first wanted superman to mate with her. He wouldnt listen, she backhanded him and then gave him an hour.
After the hour was up, superman knew he couldn't hope to win and flew to the sun knowing that he need to power up.. When did superman ever run away form konvikt, maxima, zod or doomsday like this?
That isn't remotely close to what happened-- you're missing quite a bit of info. If you have even read the story, I suggest doing so again.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Regular Thor has , on average , shown considerable resistance to telepathy/mind-control .
That's fine, I don't think she can completely one shot and break KT's will telepathically, it was the ease with which she was attacking superman both phyically and mentally. PC level strenght and constant mental barrage and icy powers, possibly similar to the casket of winters.
I don't know.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Why wouldn't he ? If you think he would be unaware of it , the Odinforce also greatly increased Thor's senses , so I doubt he'll refrain from using that as a solution to put her down .
Originally posted by Diesldude
That's fine, I don't think she can completely one shot and break KT's will telepathically, it was the ease with which she was attacking superman both phyically and mentally. PC level strenght and constant mental barrage and icy powers, possibly similar to the casket of winters.
I don't know.
Originally posted by Diesldude
So he needs the green k to win?
IMO , Thor wins this battle with ease(based on everything that I have heard about Cyth from Galan) .
Originally posted by DiesldudeYou forgot the part where he confronted her again after the hour was up, then she used TP to partially affect his mind, and finally he flew to the sun in order to break her telepathic hold over him.
👆 What i said is what happened and in that exact order.
That's what happened in context. Dunno why you'd wank her to the point that you selectively leave things like that out..?
Superman stated that the reason he flew to the sun was to free his mind. The physical amps he gained, along with the fact that Cyth weakened drastically in that environment, were secondary afterthoughts/tactics.
The wanking of Cyth makes no sense to me. She was utilizing TP + physicality + her other exotic powers against Supes(essentially every option at her disposal), and STILL couldn't come remotely close to incapacitating him... Sorry for not thinking she was that great, when several of Clark's rogues have done much, much better.
Originally posted by Galan007Who's wanking her? Well excuse me for not writing a book report on the comic. My post was in response to the backhand which was nothing more then get in your place and not meant to kill. I made a brief timeline of events. But yeah please get on my case for leaving out out the part where superman was getting a beat down and actually had to fly away to the sun to have a chance. 👆
You forgot the part where he confronted her again after the hour was up, then she used TP to partially affect his mind, and finally he flew to the sun in order to break her telepathic hold over him.That's what happened in context. Dunno why you'd wank her to the point that you selectively leave things like that out..?
Originally posted by DiesldudeLol, still aren't accepting context, eh? w/e, that's your problem.
Who's wanking her? Well excuse me for not writing a book report on the comic. My post was in response to the backhand which was nothing more then get in your place and not meant to kill. I made a brief timeline of events. But yeah please get on my case for leaving out out the part where superman was getting a beat down and actually had to fly away to the sun to have a chance. 👆
At any rate, KT wins easily. Cyth used every power at her disposal, and could not down Supes for any length of time. KT >>>> Supes.
Asking for visible wounds is like asking for fuzzy lines to prove doomsday has superspeed. And you say i am ingoring context? LOL Galan it appears you had access to the book all this time and I just realized that Cytonna did say to superman that he was not only free from her mind control but also healed from all of his wounds. Just because we don't see supermans face bloodied or bruised he definitely had wounds. I mean I don't recall superman bleeding from her slaps and kicks but I always thought it was the way the artist drew it up because the writer clearly intended for superman to be hurt.
Also per the book it wasnt just Rao vs Cytonna, it was all the other kryptonian gods + Rao vs Cytonna. It was explained that they weren't familiar with the art of battle and because of this she had the upper hand. She clearly killed a few too but all they could do was imprison her. Scans to follow later tonight and I'll look into the context too.. I promise...
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Originally posted by Galan007
The wanking of Cyth makes no sense to me. She was utilizing TP + physicality + her other exotic powers against Supes(essentially every option at her disposal), and STILL couldn't come remotely close to incapacitating him... Sorry for not thinking she was that great, when several of Clark's rogues have done much, much better.
The leaps of logic here are amusing. Which of those guys can backhand superman away like a bug? Which of them have been compared to PC kryptonians? This is the real PC superboy vs superman, notice the lack of blood and scratches and tell me he's weaker than konvikt
http://img407.imageshack.us/my.php?image=22751975kp5.jpg
http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=26510766fx3.jpg
http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=14773568yc8.jpg
Or against more PC kryptonians
Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman vs Pocket dimension kryptonians
