King Thor vs Cythonna

Are you really going to sit here and say that each time Cyth punched Supes it was equivalent to that of a PC Kryptonian, when she never came remotely close to incapacitating him, despite using ALL of her abilities (ie. telepathy, physicality, and exotic ice powers) simultaneously?

That is absolutely laughable. Was she strong? Yes. But considering MANY of Superman's rogues have done MUCH worse to him, NO justification can be made to place her anywhere near the top of his 'most powerful rogues' list... I could care less about his speechification. Superman also said that ICON hit him about as hard as he'd EVER been hit:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13076500/s1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13076502/s2.jpg.html
Does Icon hit with the force of a PC Kryptonian? PHUCK NO. Think.

By status, origin and her fight against Rao, she should be considered a Skyfather imho. A lot of chars don't have the feats or number of appearances and still they are placed in a tier because of said factors. She was depowered when she fought Supes and it was, well Superman, the same guy who can hang around with Darkseid even though he shouldn't be able to.
I think she is a Skyfather level being but still Thor should win, as he was a little bit more then that.

Originally posted by Galan007
Are you really going to sit here and say that each time Cyth punched Supes it was equivalent to that of a PC Kryptonian, when she never came remotely close to incapacitating him, despite using ALL of her abilities (ie. telepathy, physicality, and exotic ice powers) simultaneously?

That is absolutely laughable. Was she strong? Yes. But considering MANY of Superman's rogues have done MUCH worse to him, NO justification can be made to place her anywhere near the top of his 'most powerful rogues' list... I could care less about his speechification. Superman also said that ICON hit him about as hard as he'd EVER been hit:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13076500/s1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13076502/s2.jpg.html
Does Icon hit with the force of a PC Kryptonian? PHUCK NO. Think.

^ I am NOT measuring "cuts and scratches", I am measuring incapacitation time(as I have said MULTIPLE times.) Superman experienced absolutely NO sort of incapacitation during his battle with Cyth-- and in said battle she utilized every ability she could conjure (ie. telepathy, physical strikes[not just "PC Kryptonian-level" backhands], and exotic ice powers) SIMULTANEOUSLY... ALL of her abilities... Used at the SAME TIME... NEVER managed to down Supes. Many of Superman's rogues have done a LOT better. So again: why should she impress me more than them?

Again x2: if you are taking Superman's "she struck me as hard as a PC Kryptonian" statement literally, then you MUST take his "ICON hit me about as hard as I've EVER been hit" statement literally as well... Do you see the problem here? I do. What's the problem, you ask? Well, if you take Superman's comment to Icon literally, then that means Icon [also] struck him as hard as a PC Kryptonian. You still wondering what the problem is? Well, Icon is decisively less powerful than Superman, let alone a PC Kryptonian.

Stop looking at what Superman said, and look at what Cyth actually did.

^But Supes let Icon hit him and he told it to Icon to give him some props, showing respect and everything because Icon is black 😄.

When you are hit by an enemy who tries to kill you, one would think it's supposed to show that Supes is kind of worried.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ I am NOT measuring "cuts and scratches", I am measuring incapacitation time(as I have said MULTIPLE times.) Superman experienced absolutely NO sort of incapacitation during his battle with Cyth-- and in said battle she utilized every ability she could conjure (ie. telepathy, physical strikes[not just "PC Kryptonian-level" backhands], and exotic ice powers) SIMULTANEOUSLY... ALL of her abilities... Used at the SAME TIME... NEVER managed to down Supes. Many of Superman's rogues have done a LOT better. So again: why should she impress me more than them?

Again x2: if you are taking Superman's "she struck me as hard as a PC Kryptonian" statement literally, then you MUST take his "ICON hit me about as hard as I've EVER been hit" statement literally as well... Do you see the problem here? I do. What's the problem, you ask? Well, if you take Superman's comment to Icon literally, then that means Icon [also] struck him as hard as a PC Kryptonian. You still wondering what the problem is? Well, Icon is decisively less powerful than Superman, let alone a PC Kryptonian.

Stop looking at what Superman said, and look at what Cyth actually did.

^ Why in the hell are you focusing exclusively on the backhand, when that ISN'T what I've been referencing?

I have been referring to 'round 2' of their battle... The part where Cyth used ALL of her abilities (TP, PUNCHES, and EXOTIC ICE POWERS) simultaneously, and was still UNABLE to down Supes for ANY length of time. Like I KEEP SAYING: since many of Superman's rogues have done much better against him in battle, why should I hold Cyth in such high esteem? Stop dodging me, and acknowledge these things.

And for the record, a story being written by McDuffie doesn't make it any less canon, so I don't know why you incessantly mention that.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
By status, origin and her fight against Rao, she should be considered a Skyfather imho. A lot of chars don't have the feats or number of appearances and still they are placed in a tier because of said factors. She was depowered when she fought Supes and it was, well Superman, the same guy who can hang around with Darkseid even though he shouldn't be able to.
I think she is a Skyfather level being but still Thor should win, as he was a little bit more then that.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Why in the hell are you focusing exclusively on the backhand, when that ISN'T what I've been referencing?

I have been referring to 'round 2' of their battle... The part where Cyth used ALL of her abilities (TP, PUNCHES, and EXOTIC ICE POWERS) simultaneously, and was still UNABLE to down Supes for ANY length of time. Like I KEEP SAYING: since many of Superman's rogues have done much better against him in battle, why should I hold Cyth in such high esteem? Stop dodging me, and acknowledge these things.

And for the record, a story being written by McDuffie doesn't make it any less canon, so I don't know why you incessantly mention that.

You have heart Galan...a lot of heart (and patience).

Originally posted by carver9
You have heart Galan...a lot of heart (and patience).

For sanity's sake I'll have to be done soon. This BS is getting old.

Originally posted by Galan007
It's like talking to a wall. When me and ODG argue he at least acknowledges my points intelligently. This is like the opposite of that.

Lol...I know. I pretty much understood everything you said and can't find a flaw in it but...

I'll just keep reviewing to see what he comes up with next.

Originally posted by ODG
In her backstory, Rao didn't do anything to even warrant his own status as a Skyfather, let alone serve as some measure for Cythonna to be compared to.

Creatin Flamebird and Nightwing, creatin the Universe? You are one heretic, aren''t you?

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Why in the hell are you focusing exclusively on the backhand, when that ISN'T what I've been referencing?

I have been referring to 'round 2' of their battle... The part where Cyth used ALL of her abilities (TP, PUNCHES, and EXOTIC ICE POWERS) simultaneously, and was still UNABLE to down Supes for ANY length of time. Like I KEEP SAYING: since many of Superman's rogues have done much better against him in battle, why should I hold Cyth in such high esteem? Stop dodging me, and acknowledge these things.

And for the record, a story being written by McDuffie doesn't make it any less canon, so I don't know why you incessantly mention that.

I would, just as you name these un-named rogues who have beaten down superman so severaly. The fact that cythonna couldn't incapacitate superman doesn't diminish her already established strength level just like PC superboy unable to ko superman doesn't diminish him. You are comparing superman's low showings to his high showings.

You can't be serious. Mcduffie openly admitted that he nerfed superman so that other league members could shine rather than he. He is also notorious for wanking women and black characters. Icon is both black and his own creation. Do the math.

Originally posted by Galan007
It's like talking to a wall. When me and ODG argue he at least acknowledges my points intelligently. This is like the opposite of that.

For sanity's sake I'll have to be done soon. This BS is getting old.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Creatin Flamebird and Nightwing, creatin the Universe? You are one heretic, aren''t you?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because that's where the writer informed us how strong cythonna is? You want to ignore that and think that it was just to make a hyperbolic claim from superman, be my guest. Doesn't makes it invalid.

I would, just as you name these un-named rogues who have beaten down superman so severaly. The fact that cythonna couldn't incapacitate superman doesn't diminish her already established strength level just like PC superboy unable to ko superman doesn't diminish him. You are comparing superman's low showings to his high showings.

You can't be serious. Mcduffie openly admitted that he nerfed superman so that other league members could shine rather than he. He is also notorious for wanking women and black characters. Icon is both black and his own creation. Do the math.

I named some of them already. Hell, MOST of his rogues have done better than Cyth at some point. I mean she, utilizing ALL of her powers simultaneously, couldn't down him for ANY length of time. Wow, she sure was special. Lulz.

Still completely canon.

Originally posted by ODG
In Cythonna's actual backstory, none of that happened. And character statements -- which are what a computer reciting orthodox Kryptonian-Bible verses are -- don't serve as actual feats for Rao, much less Cythonna. So you have two glaring problems with this flimsy reverse-projection you're trying to force.

I don't see it as a problem, I take it as a fact, easy.

Originally posted by Galan007
Okay, well using that logic, Icon also hits with the force of a PC Kryptonian, because Supes said he struck him about as hard as he'd ever been hit. Nice.

I named some of them already. Hell, MOST of his rogues have done better than Cyth at some point. I mean she, utilizing ALL of her powers simultaneously, couldn't down him for ANY length of time. Wow, she sure was special. Lulz.

Still completely canon.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I don't see it as a problem, I take it as a fact, easy.

Originally posted by Galan007
Lol, still aren't accepting context, eh? w/e, that's your problem.

At any rate, KT wins easily. Cyth used every power at her disposal, and could not down Supes for any length of time. KT >>>> Supes.

I wasn't ignoring context and I think I was right, superman flew to the sun after having his @ss handed to him.

Why? To heal, to free his mind and to gain power. He even tells her that it will be harder for her to hurt him now.

He clearly knew that he couldn't defeat her and would lose and if he lost, earth was lost. Now that we have the context cleared away, I repeat when has superman ever needed to go get an amp to deal with Konvict, Lobo, Doomsday. 👆

Originally posted by Galan007
Again:

Even if Cyth injured him (which she did, my bad for not catching that earlier) it wasn't nearly enough to drop Kal for any length of time-- something many of his rogues have done.

I am glad we finally agree, that superman was getting hurt.

Originally posted by Galan007
Superman stated that the reason he flew to the sun was to free his mind. The physical amps he gained, along with the fact that Cyth weakened drastically in that environment, were secondary afterthoughts/tactics.

I hope you see what you did there, Cythonna getting weakened in the environment was secondary/afterthought/tactic. He went to free his mind and as stated earlier, heal, "get better already" and harder to hurt. This is the reason he went to the sun not because it weakened Cytonna which you, yourself admitted. Again I repeat did he do this against Konvict, lobo, doomsday?

Originally posted by Galan007

The wanking of Cyth makes no sense to me. She was utilizing TP + physicality + her other exotic powers against Supes(essentially every option at her disposal), and STILL couldn't come remotely close to incapacitating him... Sorry for not thinking she was that great, when several of Clark's rogues have done much, much better.