Originally posted by Nephthys
Er, no. Link is pretty conclusively superhuman.
WHAT?! When? I have played every Zelda but Skyward Sword and he never once seemed superhuman in any way. Hell he used to die from touching f-ing water before OoT, how is he superhuman without the triforce and don't give me that "killed an army of demon" bullshit from the Tir vs Link thread.
Originally posted by AuraAngel
And it's really dumb to say that Link can't use things that he's earned in his games. You must loathe Zoro with every fiber of your being since he uses swords given to him.
Dude, comparing a sword to a mystical item that grants total godhood is nowhere close to the same thing. Not to mention Zoro's use of swords is based on years of training and skill, he didn't just pick up a magic sword and become badass -_-
This is false.Don't be so stupid.
I have never seen Link do anything superhuman. Maybe it's the "stupidity" talking, so please, enlighten me on his "super" powers...
Originally posted by T-Wrecks
Dude, comparing a sword to a mystical item that grants total godhood is nowhere close to the same thing. Not to mention Zoro's use of swords is based on years of training and skill, he didn't just pick up a magic sword and become badass -_-
Strictly speaking, I eliminated the ability that makes Link like unto a god. If there are other abilities(like say, super durability) offered by it, that's fine. Link has to earn the Triforce in his games does he not? Seems fair to me.
"And Link would get up after one of those."WHHHHHAAAT!? Are you kidding me? Link, the guy who gets hurt by chickens, who gets hurt from just TOUCHING enemies, could get up from a full Jet Gattling attack? You are insane, Link isn't superhuman, he's no stronger than a normal teen elf boy in tights. One normal punch from Luffy would kill Link. F**KING KILL HIM. Post time skip, Gear 2nd + Haki would be overkill.
Calm down, you're acting just a little autismal. haermm
I'm not going to straight up argue Link could take Luffy unamped, but your perception of Link's capabilities is in fact wrong.
Link, in almost all of his incarnations, has very good durability that places him above 'skin of steel' levels. You seem unaware of this, not your fault, but try not to get irrational, k?
He also has very good strength feats, tossing Gorons, overpowering giant bosses, sword locking and fighting meta human enemies one to one.
Even unamped Links have really good feats. MM Link survives Majora's death throes followed by a fall to the earth, dodges super-sonic attacks, and goes many days without sleep.
Also, blast mask. Attaches bomb capable of shattering stone to his face.
SS Link fights Ghirahim, one to one, pushing him to the edge of the platform they fight on in the sky multiple times, before fighting him on the ground and cutting Ghirahim's sword in half. Ghirahim, and his sword, in SS, shatter a barrier conjured by Impa who can hold back billions of gallons of water in a flood. The flood is created by one of a trio of dragons who display abilities that could be called 'casually city busting'.
Did I mention Faron, the water dragon who causes the flood is bested by Ghirahim and badly wounded?
Ghirahim is just one of Demise, proto-Ganon's conjurations, and Link straight up fights and beats Demise as well. Neither of them are amped by triforce pieces when this happens.
Aura said I get to use power scaling in this thread, I've been kind of hesitant to really emphasise what that could mean here, but if unamped Links are capable of that kind of shit, a Link with the entirety of the triforce, let alone four of him, is going to be nigh invulnerable and unstoppable. Even for someone who can punch apart city blocks.
Also, Aura gave me a scene from SSBB where Link dodges lasers just because, and there's a frequent argument on VG versus about Link's lightning timer capabilities in various incarnations. Ganondorf and Link, each with one piece of said triforce have exchanges involving lightning that some people disagree on. But if it is Valid (I'm of the mind it is, but Link with the full triforce makes it irrelevant anyway. 😐) then Link here has two pieces of an artifact that can individually induce lightning time reactions.
The ToP alone makes Ganondorf durable enough that Midna hitting him so hard his castle explodes doesn't adversely affect him.
So, no, in short, Link is not just some normal teen in tights.
Originally posted by T-Wrecks
WHAT?! When? I have played every Zelda but Skyward Sword and he never once seemed superhuman in any way. Hell he used to die from touching f-ing water before OoT, how is he superhuman without the triforce and don't give me that "killed an army of demon" bullshit from the Tir vs Link thread.
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Thats a little superhuman.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Thats a little superhuman.
My problem with that is it seems to hinder on the whole "gameplay physics thing", it's inconsistent with his power outside of that specific boss fight. In some games Link needs a damn item just to move a damn rock. Links is too gameplay designed which is why he is so inconsistent. OP is a narrative, so every fight is part of the defined story, but 99% of Link's combat is gameplay which can't really be a defined scale of power. One minute he can throw a boulder guy, the next he needs a bomb to get past a normal boulder. It just doesn't add up.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Also has anyone decided on a Link to use?
The strongest Link I can imagine is aLttP Link because full triforce.
Since he also gets the laser dodge feat we don't have to deal with lightning so much, so yey.
Laser+ timing Link with the full triforce to amp his physical capabilities, but no reality warping because that's hax would probably beat Luffy into the ground, imho. Particularly four of him. But then again I know less about One Piece than most people in this thread, so my conclusion isn't final.
I just can't imagine how ****ing Hax Luffy must be for Luffy v.s. that to be fair. haermm
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The strongest Link I can imagine is aLttP Link because full triforce.Since he also gets the laser dodge feat we don't have to deal with lightning so much, so yey.
Laser+ timing Link with the full triforce to amp his physical capabilities, but no reality warping because that's hax would probably beat Luffy into the ground, imho. Particularly four of him. But then again I know less about One Piece than most people in this thread, so my conclusion isn't final.
I just can't imagine how ****ing Hax Luffy must be for Luffy v.s. that to be fair. haermm
If you recall I have also argued against the laser dodging.
How much does the Triforce amp his physical capabilities? Scenario seems to think that it is either not too much or completely unknown. And how good is ALttP Link anyway?
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Link, in almost all of his incarnations, has very good durability that places him above 'skin of steel' levels. You seem unaware of this, not your fault, but try not to get irrational, k?
When exactly has link ever had steel-like defense? Maybe with a specific set of armor, but at no point have I ever seen link take a sword to the face without getting hurt. Need I point out again that he gets hurt by chickens? You know what, f**k it, I'll pretend he has above normal human defense despite the fact that he doesn't. Even so, Luffy could kill him even without Gear 2nd or 3rd. Even before the time skip Luffy could split buildings, shatter ships and uproot entire street blocks, so unless Link has Superman or Namor underwater level defense, he's toast.
Originally posted by T-WrecksGameplay mechanics < What Link does in canon. Kratos is known to be very durable for example, but can still be harmed by mooks in gameplay. This holds true for all videogame characters.
When exactly has link ever had steel-like defense? Maybe with a specific set of armor, but at no point have I ever seen link take a sword to the face without getting hurt. Need I point out again that he gets hurt by chickens? You know what, f**k it, I'll pretend he has above normal human defense despite the fact that he doesn't. Even so, Luffy could kill him even without Gear 2nd or 3rd. Even before the time skip Luffy could split buildings, shatter ships and uproot entire street blocks, so unless Link has Superman or Namor underwater level defense, he's toast.
What matters are the cutscenes, story, and statements. The canon of the game.
Also, the implication anyone sub-superman durability is within Luffy's range of harming is a little bit insane. Didn't Supes survive a blackhole or something?
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Also, the implication anyone sub-superman durability is within Luffy's range of harming is a little bit insane. Didn't Supes survive a blackhole or something?
Luffy's max offense range (which would require Gear 2nd or 3rd) would be below Superman for sure, but it's definitely above the Captain America, Spiderman, maybe even Superboy range of defense. I'm simply saying that unless Link is superhero level strong, he's not going to stand up to any of Luffy's attacks.
Originally posted by BloodRainWith the full triforce? Also, Large building. uhuh
Isn't Link's durability still only building level? pr1983
Originally posted by T-Wrecks
Luffy's max offense range (which would require Gear 2nd or 3rd) would be below Superman for sure, but it's definitely above the Captain America, Spiderman, maybe even Superboy range of defense. I'm simply saying that unless Link is superhero level strong, he's not going to stand up to any of Luffy's attacks.
Originally posted by T-Wrecks
When exactly has link ever had steel-like defense? Maybe with a specific set of armor, but at no point have I ever seen link take a sword to the face without getting hurt. Need I point out again that he gets hurt by chickens? You know what, f**k it, I'll pretend he has above normal human defense despite the fact that he doesn't. Even so, Luffy could kill him even without Gear 2nd or 3rd. Even before the time skip Luffy could split buildings, shatter ships and uproot entire street blocks, so unless Link has Superman or Namor underwater level defense, he's toast.
Okay, got some durability feats ready.
Wind Waker Link gets thrown around a lot, often for distances counted in miles, and smacks directly into solid surfaces or water that would feel solid at such heights. Little dude's almost as immune to blunt force as Luffy is.