Originally posted by BloodRainThe vampires were more of a secret until a few years before season 1. Russell was the only one powerful enough to kill Roman.
In 3,000 years he made it up to the level of a governor, something Bill attained in 170 years, which is below the Authority. With no humans knowing of him. Not much of a reign :TIf the boy had more ambition he could have run things. Oh well.
Russell destroyed the leader of the Authority. Russell went on live television and killed a newscaster live. No vampire is more well known or feared based off that alone.
Russell does what Russell wants just as I do.
3,000 years of raping and pillaging while taking what he wants while following the rules obediently and not doing anything to get the attention of over 6 billion humans, all while being below the Authority. Fearsome reign there.
As per his small minded and little impact goals. Though he did begin with his two only life goals.. which got him killed instantly.
Originally posted by BloodRainHis goal was what had to come to pass; day walking.
3,000 years of raping and pillaging while taking what he wants while following the rules obediently and not doing anything to get the attention of over 6 billion humans, all while being below the Authority. Fearsome reign there.As per his small minded and little impact goals. Though he did begin with his two only life goals.. which got him killed instantly.
Russell survived for 3,000 years which most can't say especially given the weaknesses vampires have and the other supernatural species including his own wanting him dead.
Collecting artifacts over the years and being involved in the death of kings, WW2, being a king, slaughtering the Magister, and being the only one powerful enough to kill Roman setting in motion Lilith's return through a prophet. The Elder Faerie also shit her pants at the mere mention of his name.
Compare 3,000 years to Ganondorf's two afternoons of defeat on a world with the population of less than 10,000 with no progression and modern technology. The only thing Ganondorf ever had going for him is the TOP. That's all.
Something that took millennia to attain, which he did for all but a minute.
Surviving, killing things weaker than him and antiquing.. lacklustre and having nothing to do with his reign.
Ganondorf birthed himself, 'conquered' Hyrule (not given) that quickly while corrupting it, the Twilight realm and messing up the guardian spirits. For Russell's whole life he hid from humans knowing him and obeyed those above him. Only impact is scaring humans and messing with the Authority. Dorf claimed took over in a single day, when Russ barely begun taking over in over 1 million days.
Originally posted by BloodRainDue to Faeries going into hiding out of fear for the vampires.
Something that took millennia to attain, which he did for all but a minute.Surviving, killing things weaker than him and antiquing.. lacklustre and having nothing to do with his reign.
Ganondorf birthed himself, 'conquered' Hyrule (not given) that quickly while corrupting it, the Twilight realm and messing up the guardian spirits. For Russell's whole life he hid from humans knowing him and obeyed those above him. Only impact is scaring humans and messing with the Authority. Dorf claimed took over in a single day, when Russ barely begun taking over in over 1 million days.
Russell still had exploitable weaknesses and had to deal with modern technology amidst a progressive world with a great population than Hyrule in Ohio alone.
Hyrule is nothing to conquer given the TOP and despite this plot device he always gets defeated by a different Link practically every time. He used another misguided soul and others to achieve his goals.
Dude, Hyrule was taken over by Zant and the population along with their technology, intelligence, and man power is laughable compared to TB earth.
Ganondorf and his entire army were defeated when one hero began his quest. Despite all the numerical advantages and the lack of opposition Ganondorf lost in mutual fair combat.
Don't you dare compare the laughable Ganondorf to Rusell Edgington ever again.
Originally posted by quanchi112Failing a minute later is his own fault. That narrow mindedness again. Exactly, he couldn't take over due to his weakness and people being able to kill him. And Russell lost when he was at his literal strongest from a guy half his age.
Due to Faeries going into hiding out of fear for the vampires.Russell still had exploitable weaknesses and had to deal with modern technology amidst a progressive world with a great population than Hyrule in Ohio alone.
Hyrule is nothing to conquer given the TOP and despite this plot device he always gets defeated by a different Link practically every time. He used another misguided soul and others to achieve his goals.
Dude, Hyrule was taken over by Zant and the population along with their technology, intelligence, and man power is laughable compared to TB earth.
Ganondorf and his entire army were defeated when one hero began his quest. Despite all the numerical advantages and the lack of opposition Ganondorf lost in mutual fair combat.
Don't you dare compare the laughable Ganondorf to Rusell Edgington ever again.
Interesting point change though, going from their reign and control to who killed who. Nothing to do with the fact that Dorf was able to seize control the instant he stepped into the area while in 99.999% of Russ' life (seriously, 0.001% of his life is that week he actually did something major) is him spent being the Authority's *****, controlling an area they /elected/ him to own.
Originally posted by BloodRainHe was high on Faerie blood and let his guard down in this state of mind. That's it. That's far better than losing a fair sword duel against someone with a few weeks of experience under his belt.
Failing a minute later is his own fault. That narrow mindedness again. Exactly, he couldn't take over due to his weakness and people being able to kill him. And Russell lost when he was at his literal strongest from a guy half his age.Interesting point change though, going from their reign and control to who killed who. Nothing to do with the fact that Dorf was able to seize control the instant he stepped into the area while in 99.999% of Russ' life (seriously, 0.001% of his life is that week he actually did something major) is him spent being the Authority's *****, controlling an area they /elected/ him to own.
I cited the only reason this occurred as stated by the creators of the show. Context. Eric can't beat him straight up and has to come up when his guard is down via weakness exploitation as he is wading through Faerie blasts.
When looking at the reigns here we must look at all the factors ala Ganondorf's army and Zant's help. Not impressive when someone else hands you the keys to the castle at the time when Zelda is minus her spirit and just a husk of a body.
Russell cut a path throughout history before the Authority even took place since he predates them all.
Ganondorf was given the land after Zant already conquered it in his stead with an army. Zelda wasn't even there to oppose him. Not impressive at all.
TB earth>>>>shitty Hyrule. It isn't even close.
How long was Dorf practising with a sword? 😛 Point is in all that time he attained his goal for seconds. Thats nothing.
Okay lets look at Russell's reign:
By age 2,790 he commanded a pack of wolves and had them attack several civilisations.
By age 2,850 he was given command over the vamps in one state (like a thousand vamps?).
^This is everything to do with the reign and control that he had. Fact is it still took him almost 3k to reach the level that he did which was still offered to him.
Originally posted by BloodRainYou are refusing to look at the element of difficulty it is to rule Hyrule. It's like comparing dominating a classroom of kindergarteners to the Unite States of America.
How long was Dorf practising with a sword? 😛 Point is in all that time he attained his goal for seconds. Thats nothing.Okay lets look at Russell's reign:
command over the vamps in one state (like a thousand vamps?).
By age 2,790 he commanded a pack of wolves and had them attack several civilisations.
By age 2,850 he was [b]given
^This is everything to do with the reign and control that he had. Fact is it still took him almost 3k to reach the level that he did which was still offered to him. [/B]
No one has achieved world wide domination on TB earth as far as know. We know he stole artifacts and cut his path through history for thousands of years in a world where the oldest vampires are the most powerful. It's easy to die via weakness exploitation in TB especially during the day and he survived around 3,000 years.
Russell Edgington survived infinitely longer than Ganondorf who was just bad in Hyrule a few days each time we saw him. The competition on TB earth is on another level than Zelda as well. Basically you acquire the TOP and you're on another level but the dope still loses to Link every adventure.
And youre not talking about Russell getting what he wanted for seconds.
Yeah thats what I said. In 2,850 years he used his werewolves to attack civilizations. That was his reign before the Authority, later becoming a governor under their ruling. So to talk about that reign, whats so impressive? The level of power or the time it took?
Originally posted by BloodRainWhat do you mean for seconds ?
And youre not talking about Russell getting what he wanted for seconds.Yeah thats what I said. In 2,850 years he used his werewolves to attack civilizations. That was his reign before the Authority, later becoming a governor under their ruling. So to talk about that reign, whats so impressive? The level of power or the time it took?
The fact he was meddling around in a progressive world especially during WW2. He manipulated and controlled his Wolves to achieve his goals. He enforced his will throughout the ages and took what he wanted when he wanted while still remaining a secret to the world. In TB world just like ours it is about politics not someone being unbeatable or strong arming the rest of the world without an impressive military.
The time he survived due to his day time weakness among other since at one point of the show he was considered the oldest vampire still in existence. That's a testament to him in and of itself.
Surviving isn't much to note. Do it for a hundred years you can do a thousand. Fae blood was one of his only two wants, and he got it for seconds. His other being killing humans which he stopped with for his title.
Yes. He used his wolves to attack places. These are the reasons he has a limited grasp with low ambition. He was the strongest known being on the planet for so long and showed the capability to command people to do his bidding. The fact that he got the position of King and used to do what he could to kill people off proves the useful capabilities. He had the potential but when it comes down to it compared to all he could have done with his time, power, influence and desires.. what he accomplished wasn't that impressive.