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Gentlemen, I give you the gift of truely WFT-level heavy insanity.
Originally posted by Robtard
Not necessarily. Super-speed would have to do more with muscle-contraction speed than just sheer strength.There are power lifters that can press over half a ton with their legs; they're not beating Usain Bolt in a race though.
Usain Bolt is fast BECAUSE his legs are strong.
Powerlifters aren't slow either. They can keep up with pure sprinters at least for short distances, because powerlifting is a highly explosive sport, just like sprinting, and relies on the same muscle fibers.
The muscles fibers that promote the greatest kind of speed (type 11-b) are also the same fibers that give you the greatest strength potential. They go hand-in-hand, speed is a component of power afterall, and power comes from muscle.
Basically, the proportionately stronger you are, the faster you are. Square-Cube-Law. It's why an elephant is so lumbering (takes a little bit to cross its own body length in running), whereas something like a mouse can cross its body length several times in a split-second. The mouse is proportionately very strong, the elephant is proportionately very weak.
One can't be fast and weak at the same time. Contradiction.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Usain Bolt is fast BECAUSE his legs are strong.Powerlifters aren't slow either. They can keep up with pure sprinters at least for short distances, because powerlifting is a highly explosive sport, just like sprinting, and relies on the same muscle fibers.
The muscles fibers that promote the greatest kind of speed (type 11-b) are also the same fibers that give you the greatest strength potential. They go hand-in-hand, speed is a component of power afterall, and power comes from muscle.
Basically, the proportionately stronger you are, the faster you are. Square-Cube-Law. It's why an elephant is so lumbering (takes a little bit to cross its own body length in running), whereas something like a mouse can cross its body length several times in a split-second. The mouse is proportionately very strong, the elephant is proportionately very weak.
One can't be fast and weak at the same time. Contradiction.
I didn't say Usain bolt wasn't strong, obviously he has powerful legs. I said running speed has more to do than just strength; it does.
I never said powerlifters were slow. I'm sure some are and some aren't, depending. None of them are beating Bolt though.
Never said having speed = no strength.
Elephant's speed limit is mainly due to their body design, they're designed to support massive weight on those legs, so the shoulder/hip joints are moved in and down. Anything faster than a fast gait and they risk structural integrity.
Good thing I never claimed that.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Usain Bolt is fast BECAUSE his legs are strong.Powerlifters aren't slow either. They can keep up with pure sprinters at least for short distances, because powerlifting is a highly explosive sport, just like sprinting, and relies on the same muscle fibers.
The muscles fibers that promote the greatest kind of speed (type 11-b) are also the same fibers that give you the greatest strength potential. They go hand-in-hand, speed is a component of power afterall, and power comes from muscle.
Basically, the proportionately stronger you are, the faster you are. Square-Cube-Law. It's why an elephant is so lumbering (takes a little bit to cross its own body length in running), whereas something like a mouse can cross its body length several times in a split-second. The mouse is proportionately very strong, the elephant is proportionately very weak.
One can't be fast and weak at the same time. Contradiction.
lol actually Bolt is fast because he takes steroids and he hasn't been caught yet.. lol
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
Dunno.. lolactually im black and filipino
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steroid_use
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Originally posted by ScreamPaste
"They increase protein synthesis within cells, which results in the buildup of cellular tissue (anabolism), especially in muscles."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steroid_use
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i know about steroids, they aren't good for you, just ask those who have died because of them..
Originally posted by Robtard
I didn't say Usain bolt wasn't strong, obviously he has powerful legs. I said running speed has more to do than just strength; it does.I never said powerlifters were slow. I'm sure some are and some aren't, depending. None of them are beating Bolt though.
Never said having speed = no strength.
Elephant's speed limit is mainly due to their body design, they're designed to support massive weight on those legs, so the shoulder/hip joints are moved in and down. Anything faster than a fast gait and they risk structural integrity.
Good thing I never claimed that.
No, you said speed has more to do with how fast your muscles contract. BUT, that is exactly what makes you have the most strength. If your muscles contract faster than the other guy, then you have more strength potential than the other guy. This is simply obvious; Moving a weight faster makes you stronger than moving a weight slower.
I don't think you understand the situation with the elephant. It's body shape is designed like that BECAUSE of the square-cube-law. As you get larger, bones and muscle do not hold up as well. Which is why the elephant needs to be more thickly built and straighter legged than a much smaller relative, like a mouse or a hyrax. Because it needs to be sturdier simply to stand up against its own size. (likewise with buildings or even a stack of cards, the larger you make it, the larger the base has to be to support its own weight.)
"Getting back to reality, there are species of animals such as the deer and the elk that are closely related but of different size. Galileo took notice that the bones of the elk are not just proportionally thicker to the bones of the deer but instead the elk’s bones are even much thicker. The elk’s bone has to be much thicker to lower the stress in the bone below the breaking point of the bone. Even so, elk and all the other large vertebrates are still more likely of breaking their bones than the more active smaller animals."
and
"The bones and muscles of the larger animals tend to be disproportionally thicker and larger than the smaller animals. Yet the smaller animals will still have the greater relative strength that allows them to jump higher and fall greater distances with almost no chance of breaking their bones."
http://dinosaurtheory.com/scaling.html
Compare the skeleton of a hyrax;
http://www.nhc.ed.ac.uk/images/collections/mammals/ungulata/hyraxskeleton.jpg
to that of an elephant;
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e7/Elephant_skeleton.jpg
and you'll see what I mean. The elephant is proportionately much thicker. If you scaled the hyrax up to the size of an elephant, it would be much slower than elephant. Why? Because it would be too weak to handle its own body weight simply standing, let alone be strong enough to move its body for running.
There are other factors to speed than strength (limb proportions/shape etc), but the biggest contributing factor is strength. Which comes from muscle. Sprinters are invariably well muscled. As are all animals that are considered fast; horses, bulls, lions/tigers etc.
"Olympic lifts train the athlete to explode and use the maximum possible force. They develop a high Rate of Force (RF), a key point in sports training. Olympic lifters train fast twitch muscle fibers, the fibers that are employed to give you speed, explosiveness and power."
and
"The jumping and running abilities of Olympic lifters were documented in the Mexico City Olympic Games where they out ran and out jumped the jumpers and sprinters in the vertical jump and 25m sprint! This is an amazing feat considering these men do not train specifically for jumping or running."
http://www.baspeed.com/sports/weightlifting.htm
Olympic Powerlifters gain speed from all their strength training. Sure, there can be diminishing returns if they start to put on more weight than strength, but that's the point the whole time. Proportionate strength is what makes you fast. Either way, powerlifters would not lose to ordinary people in top speed races, that's for sure. Because they gain speed from all their strength training.
Even if they would not beat a pure sprinter in a full 100 meter dash--since they would lack other factors of speed to aid them as well (again shape/proportions/stride length technique etc.), it goes to show that at the very least in the most explosive phase of a race; the take off, they can out-speed sprinters because of their greater explosive training with weights.
The main-point? As it relates to the original topic; if you had super strength it would make you faster. Yes. It would. If you were strong enough to say toss a car (that's the minimum I imagine for super strength), you will have no choice but to be super fast as well; since a car's weight would be nothing to you, your own body weight will be like a feather in comparison. This is again why small creatures are so fast proportionately, because they are proportionately stronger than larger creatures, and thus moving their own body weight is so much easier.
Speed comes from strength. Speed can be optimized with other factors (like the cheetah does vs the lion or tiger), but if you are that strong, you will completely negate those other factors.
Yes, if were a 200 lb guy that could toss around cars with ease, you would easily be faster than Usain Bolt. Easily. Hell you'd probably outrun most sports cars.
Originally posted by Myth
So when we do want to talk about foreign movies, do we do it here? The general movie forum? Elsewhere?
As far as I'm concerned, the MVF can be used for Foreign Cinema discussion.
KMC is dead, and our admin, Raz, doesn't care enough to implement changes so I took the initiative.
