These powaful dudes vs. Those powaful dudes...

Originally posted by carver9
@Galan...

Sentry withstood a full blown Mjlonir strike from Thor. This doesn't include his matter manipulation ft that the team will have to deal with (let alone fail) and his insane healing abilities. He can take any of the members out.

Then we have Hulk...in this state he is physically the strongest member on the field. Then you made this a contained battle. I can't see many of them withstanding too many punches from this version of Hulk, especially in a contained area where his punches (shockwaves) would more than likely spread and hit other members on the opposing team (and probably his team as well).

Then you have Bill at his Prime...someone who completed something/without any trouble, that the combined might of Galactus Heralds was unable to do. This also doesn't include the fact that he beat Asteroth in this form. The hammer would also be a useful tool against Hal.

B&T Thor took on a group of high end Heralds and stomped them. No one short of Thanos was capable of stopping him and I would put Thanos above anyone on the opposing team.

The major issue I see for team Marvel is Majestic creation blades. He can decapitate anyone on the field with them. Sentry would be the best choice to fight him.

Good write up.

Just a by the by, though, but molecule manip is out for Sentry.

Do you think Majestic with the blades could speedblitz a lot - 2,3,4 of them?

Aaaaahhhh, I didn't see where he took that off for Sentry. I would still say Sentry could beat anyone on the opposing team in this state.

In character, I can't see Majestic blitzing around. Now if that was to happen, yes, I can see Maj taking out the whole group.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
B & T Thor pre Power Gem?

Originally posted by carver9
@Galan...

Sentry withstood a full blown Mjlonir strike from Thor. This doesn't include his matter manipulation ft that the team will have to deal with (let alone fail) and his insane healing abilities. He can take any of the members out.

Then we have Hulk...in this state he is physically the strongest member on the field. Then you made this a contained battle. I can't see many of them withstanding too many punches from this version of Hulk, especially in a contained area where his punches (shockwaves) would more than likely spread and hit other members on the opposing team (and probably his team as well).

Then you have Bill at his Prime...someone who completed something/without any trouble, that the combined might of Galactus Heralds was unable to do. This also doesn't include the fact that he beat Asteroth in this form. The hammer would also be a useful tool against Hal.

B&T Thor took on a group of high end Heralds and stomped them. No one short of Thanos was capable of stopping him and I would put Thanos above anyone on the opposing team.

The major issue I see for team Marvel is Majestic creation blades. He can decapitate anyone on the field with them. Sentry would be the best choice to fight him.

Hulk might be the strongest on the field physically, but he is also the slowest on the field, by far... Something to think about.

Decoupled Bill is a massive powerhouse, no way around it-- he was able to do better against the I'than armada than Surfer and Stardust.

B&T Thor was massively powerful, however, Bill alone did quite well against him... Something else to think about.

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As for the DC side:
Superman, in that mindset, was one-shotting Imperiex Probes like they were fodder.

WWIII Black Adam took on some of the most powerful heroes on DC earth simultaneously. He was, essentially, 'normal' BA x10.

Countdown Orion swatted the JLA away with a gesture and killed Darkseid *see scans posted earlier*.

Majestic has the strength and speed to contend with anyone here by himself. Adding his Kusar blades gives him the ability to cut/block energy attacks used against him, and/or flay anyone on the other team with rapid succession. Anyone.

I shouldn't have to extrapolate on Krona-buster Hal...

Just some food for thought.

Originally posted by carver9
In character, I can't see Majestic blitzing around. Now if that was to happen, yes, I can see Maj taking out the whole group.

...But it's also an option for the other team.

Team 2 wins at least 6/10

Given the power output of the contestants of team one (particularly OWAW Supes, Orion, and Hal), it's not a stretch to suggest that they would be at or above Thanos's B&T levels for this fight. Remember that B&T Thor + the Power Gem couldn't drop that version of Thanos; removing the PG for this fight gimps him, and IMO, makes him a (relative) weak link for team two along with Hulk.

The strongest two on Marvel's side are Bill and Norrin, with Bill being the biggest issue (the enclosure mitigates flight/maneuverability to some extent, and makes CQC a necessity) because of his ability to brawl as well as the versatility afforded him via Stormbreaker. Surfer has to keep his range to be at his most effective, IMO; unfortunately, with the stips, I don't see him faring as well against guys with the speed and strength to contend with him.

^ The Hulk is the weakest on the field? I must be missing something. You couldn't be more wrong BTW, especially when contained in a restrictive space.

I have strong doubts of Bill being as powerful as B&T Thor, considering the beating he gave him, and Drax.

Hal could be considered the weakest link on the field when you consider his overall durability to hard hitting strikes, that have easily in the past broke through his defenses. Sure he has great blasting potential, but if the fight is brought up close and personal, he would be forced to chage tactics rather quickly. Krona buster or not. Just saying.

The Sentry would not be permanently laid low by any on the DC side, because if he doesn't want to die he'd just keep coming back like he did several times.

A blood lusted Surfer could resemble Exiles Surfer, and use his board to cut up anyone on the field. So there are arguments that could be debated for either side.

Me saying Hulk was a weak link didn't have anything to do with his lack of strength, but more to do with his ability to tag guys like OWAW Clark and Majestic + blades. The environment helps Hulk and mitigates this weakness, but even in close quarters he'd have a hell of a time taking those two out. Him being matched up with Hal/Orion/Bladam makes him more valuable to the team, IMO.

Given that Bill by himself managed to do better against B&T Thor than Strange/Surfer/Adam Warlock, I'd say a decoupled version of that same character is above the same version of Thor. I can't see Thor being able to bust Big G's armor like Bill did. Or fare as well against the I'Than army.

You're right about Hal, and you seem to see him the same way I see Surfer (IE, he has to keep his distance in order to be at his most effective).

As you said, good arguments to be made for both sides.

Hal possessed the power to one-shot a Skyfather-level being. Calling him the weakest on the field strikes me as... Strange.

Originally posted by Galan007
Hal possessed the power to one-shot a Skyfather-level being. Calling him the weakest on the field strikes me as... Strange.

Well, skyfather power does not necessarily imply skyfather durability.

I wouldn't say that blast would take out the likes of Odin

Galan, you are basing things off of one showing and not its entirety. Even though Hal was able to do a Krono buster doesn't give him some type of Godly durability...he can not withstand what will be dished out in this battle. Superman as well. Even though he damaged some probes (which was also taken out by Supergirl and Black Lightning, Wonder Woman mother, Aquaman, Wonder Woman herself) doesn't give him insane durability. He was dropped on numerous of occasions during OWAW. Once by a probe output of energy...another by Darkseid pimp slapping him, a probe again, etc... He stopped holding back and took out two probes but we have NOTHING to suggest his durability was increased to the point that he will be able to withstand multiples of attacks from the beings in the Marvel tier.

Wasn't it stated on panel that Black Adam wasn't the strongest on the field when he fought that large team. Also, MM had a pretty decent showing against this version of Adam. His face also got nearly melted off by a dose of heat vision. What if Sentry was to turn it up and pull that attack out that he used against WWH and engulf the field with heat that would more than likely be over what MM used against Black Adam...him surviving would be very slim imo.

Originally posted by carver9
Galan, you are basing things off of one showing and not its entirety. Even though Hal was able to do a Krono buster doesn't give him some type of Godly durability...he can not withstand what will be dished out in this battle. Superman as well. Even though he damaged some probes (which was also taken out by Supergirl and Black Lightning, Wonder Woman mother, Aquaman, Wonder Woman herself) doesn't give him insane durability. He was dropped on numerous of occasions during OWAW. Once by a probe output of energy...another by Darkseid pimp slapping him, a probe again, etc... He stopped holding back and took out two probes but we have NOTHING to suggest his durability was increased to the point that he will be able to withstand multiples of attacks from the beings in the Marvel tier.

Wasn't it stated on panel that Black Adam wasn't the strongest on the field when he fought that large team. Also, MM had a pretty decent showing against this version of Adam. His face also got nearly melted off by a dose of heat vision. What if Sentry was to turn it up and pull that attack out that he used against WWH and engulf the field with heat that would more than likely be over what MM used against Black Adam...him surviving would be very slim imo.

Warned.

😂

Carver is IQ entropy.

Originally posted by carver9
@Galan...

Sentry withstood a full blown Mjlonir strike from Thor. This doesn't include his matter manipulation ft that the team will have to deal with (let alone fail) and his insane healing abilities. He can take any of the members out.

Then we have Hulk...in this state he is physically the strongest member on the field. Then you made this a contained battle. I can't see many of them withstanding too many punches from this version of Hulk, especially in a contained area where his punches (shockwaves) would more than likely spread and hit other members on the opposing team (and probably his team as well).

Then you have Bill at his Prime...someone who completed something/without any trouble, that the combined might of Galactus Heralds was unable to do. This also doesn't include the fact that he beat Asteroth in this form. The hammer would also be a useful tool against Hal.

B&T Thor took on a group of high end Heralds and stomped them. No one short of Thanos was capable of stopping him and I would put Thanos above anyone on the opposing team.

The major issue I see for team Marvel is Majestic creation blades. He can decapitate anyone on the field with them. Sentry would be the best choice to fight him.

WBH stronger than OWAW Supes? Not convinced. I can definitely see Maj's blades being one heck of a problem. Was never really impressed with WW3 BA. I'm lovin team DC's speed advantage with Supes, Maj, BA anchoring team DC in that department. Especially with OWAW Supes. Add the fact that WBH no matter how powerful he was in that arc can't fly!!

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
WBH stronger than OWAW Supes? Not convinced. I can definitely see Maj's blades being one heck of a problem. Was never really impressed with WW3 BA. I'm lovin team DC's speed advantage with Supes, Maj, BA anchoring team DC in that department. Especially with OWAW Supes. Add the fact that WBH no matter how powerful he was in that arc can't fly!!

Originally posted by Cogito
Well, skyfather power does not necessarily imply skyfather durability.

I wouldn't say that blast would take out the likes of Odin

Taking out Odin is questionable, sure. However, Odin is likely more powerful than all of team 2 combined. Personally, I see no problem with Hal one-shotting any of them, given the chance. /shrug

Wait...is this the Supes that pushed War World Galan?

I specifically stated it was not the sun-amped version of Supes. It is the version who finally let loose, and stopped holding back when he fought alongside Doomsday... Essentially a beserker Superman, who had no qualms with killing his opponent(a scan was posted in the OP.)

Originally posted by Galan007
I specifically stated it was not the sun-amped version of Supes. It is the version who finally let loose, and stopped holding back... Essentially a beserker Superman, who had no qualms with killing his opponent(a scan was posted in the OP.)

The Superman in the latter part of the war, that fought alongside DD, right?

^ Correct.