Originally posted by TheGodKiller
He killed them by using the powers of the Crunch .Odin has one-shotted Thor as well , yet Thor managed to chip of a Celestial's armor , and survived multiple Celestial blasts in Thor 300 . Based on you logic Odin>>>>Celestials , when that clearly isn't the case .
Anyways , the point is that the Many-Angled Ones(there were 4 in total IIRC)supposedly dwarfed the power of the Galactus Engine based on the Shiar readings(if indeed those were the MAOs that were coming out of the Fault after the GE was dispatched) . The same Galactus Engine which forced a host of Celestials to retreat and brought a non-jobbing Galactus to his limits .
It took an at least universal level Abstract to cripple them , and even her power didn't permanently put them down .
Based on this implied level of power , Shuma takes this with ease .
Regarding your Thor/Odin/Celestials example, it was clearly PIS in Thor's favor but even with that amount of PIS, Thor still managed to do nothing vs the Celestials (the exact opposite of the Surfer/T&A showdown). If I'm not mistaken, they failed to put down the Surfer in one shot on TWO separate occasions and Surfer by himself staggered them with his power (compare this to his fight with Odin).
Originally posted by zopzop
Implied power means d|ck. Show me fights and feats of Shuma doing anything remotely impressive then we can talk.Regarding your Thor/Odin/Celestials example, it was clearly PIS in Thor's favor but even with that amount of PIS, Thor still managed to do nothing vs the Celestials (the exact opposite of the Surfer/T&A showdown). If I'm not mistaken, they failed to put down the Surfer in one shot on TWO separate occasions and Surfer by himself staggered them with his power (compare this to his fight with Odin).
Anyways this entire point about Surfer, T&A and who killed who is moot since the Celestials were among those "Abstracts" as well , whom the Galactus Engine was owning . The Cancerverse incident implied the MAOs as being superior to 616's low level Abstracts like the Celestials , considering how an entity below their power forced those Abstracts to retreat .
Based on this alone , Shuma should win this thread . Otherwise I am not familiar with any of the character's feats that would put it beyond skyfathers to contend with .
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
In Round 1 Aegis alone KOed the Surfer . In Round 2 , Norrin lured them into the Crunch and then channeled its power through his own body to defeat them . That's essentially universe-destroying power that he was channeling through his form at that point . Sometimes you lowball just for lowballing's sake .Anyways this entire point about Surfer, T&A and who killed who is moot since the Celestials were among those "Abstracts" as well , whom the Galactus Engine was owning . The Cancerverse incident implied the MAOs as being superior to 616's low level Abstracts like the Celestials , considering how an entity below their power forced those Abstracts to retreat .
Based on this alone , Shuma should win this thread . Otherwise I am not familiar with any of the character's feats that would put it beyond skyfathers to contend with .
Your unfamiliarity with the character shows. He barely has "trans" level mage feats under his belt (ie Earth voodoo doll), let alone fights against respected Gods, demons, abstracts. Some of his most recent appearances have writers telling us he has a "vertigo weakness"! 😆
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Shuma is the god of hyperbolic statements and implied power.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I'm dead serious.I really don't have anything against Shuma, but really, I have a hard time seeing him as an "abstract" being, let alone elder god in power and not just status/title.
Originally posted by zopzop
I vaguely remember that fight, but didn't they attack him MULTIPLE TIMES before putting Surfer down? Surfer by himself managed to make Aegis flinch from one of his attacks. It took Surfer AND Thanos attacking Odin simultaneously for it to register on Odin.
Originally posted by zopzop
Your unfamiliarity with the character shows. He barely has "trans" level mage feats under his belt (ie Earth voodoo doll), let alone fights against respected Gods, demons, abstracts. Some of his most recent appearances have writers telling us he has a "vertigo weakness"! 😆
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Aegis took out Surfer , while Tenebrous was dealing with Galactus , and then the 2 of them tag-team comboed Galen .
Odin needed only one hit and he was being distracted by Thanos.
I already admitted that I am unfamiliar with Shuma's feats . However to see the implication of the MAOs' power in Thanos Imperative , and still lowball Shuma while ignoring that incidence , reeks of bias and personal vendetta against the character .
Originally posted by zopzop
Genius, wtf did Shuma Gorath do on panel in Thanos Imperative? Nothing right? How do you know how powerful the MAOs are individually? What if they are powerful only in vast numbers? Show me how powerful a "common" member of their race is, then let's compare him to how powerful Gorath is.
The MAOs were "larger and more powerful" than the Galactus Engine , based on the Shiar readings . That's enough to tell me that in that arc they could have mollywhopped the Abstract assemblage that was fighting the GE .
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Cancerverse%20War/ti-09-10.jpg
Based on that type of implied power , Shuma should definitely take this . Based on actual combat feats , the Council would probably win , as I am not too familiar(something I have already admitted multiple times in this thread) with Shuma's feats .
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
He did nothing , which is why I keep mentioning "implied power" . You have already dismissed implied power as "bullsh1t" and "d|ck" , so why even bother continuing this discussion ?The MAOs were "larger and more powerful" than the Galactus Engine , based on the Shiar readings . That's enough to tell me that in that arc they could have mollywhopped the Abstract assemblage that was fighting the GE .
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Cancerverse%20War/ti-09-10.jpgBased on that type of implied power , Shuma should definitely take this . Based on actual combat feats , the Council would probably win , as I am not too familiar(something I have already admitted multiple times in this thread) with Shuma's feats .
Originally posted by zopzop
Why don't you answer my question? How powerful is the "average" or "common" member of the MAOs? How does it compare to Shuma Gorath?
Based on the Shiar readings , they were "larger and more powerful" than the Galactus Engine .
