Russell Edgington vs. Link (TP)

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Bulbin's 'combat strength' is more than 5 times Russell's.

Woo, reflexes that are in no way helpful.

K, lol. Then right after we can ask people what happens if Russell tries to stop a moving Goron. haermm

Link's shown he can fight someone faster than Russell and come out on top. Lol '1' video. Link tanks the axe, isn't crushed by Dangoro, isn't torn in half fighting the dragon, and is fired out of a cannon into the ground. Those are all well above Russell's one ton strength.

Yes, they are. Only you would say reflexes are not helpful in a fight.

You are the same guy who said Russell Edgington has no chance against Ganondorf. People familiar with both have said it could go either way. Proves I'm a great debater on that alone.

You'd have to prove Russell moves 10 times faster than a human for that claim to be worth anything.

Reflexes are worth nothing if your opponent is invulnerable to you. Besides, the ability to get into the way of a bullet is insignificant next to the ability to best a character who casually deflects hypersonic arrows in a melee.

Russell is chanceless. Don't delude yourself.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You'd have to prove Russell moves 10 times faster than a human for that claim to be worth anything.

Reflexes are worth nothing if your opponent is invulnerable to you. Besides, the ability to get into the way of a bullet is insignificant next to the ability to best a character who casually deflects hypersonic arrows in a melee.

Russell is chanceless. Don't delude yourself.

You have no proven he is not or that the level of velocity won't wreck Link's weak skin.

You have not proven the arrows are that fast and that is a gameplay mechanic forcing you to sword fight.

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Russell wins any way he wants to. Link does not have the reflexes and can be chucked all over the place as he is too slow and weighs far less than a car.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Due to the Bulbin's weak combat strength.

I can't give an opinion in him. The difference between he and Link is that we have far less hurting Link along with the fact there seems to be a huge difference in portrayal between the two of them.

No, I don't think so.

You are also ignoring the velocity on top of Russell's strength which greatly increases the force of his attacks.

Whats the difference between an ape-like monster hurting Link in gameplay to an ape-like monster hurting Kratos in gameplay to an ape-like monster hurting Asura in gameplay?

Velocity? Alright, just remember that you're the one asking me to consider it:
Speed for the sake of max result- 340m/s
Arm weight used in a strike- 3.35kg
(3.35*340^2)/ 2
= 193,630 Joules

Now assuming a normal 10m/s throw/punch speed:
(193,630*2)/ 10^2
= 3872.6 kg

AKA Russell's Mach 1 velocity punch packs the same force as Link throwing 4.27 tons.

Better than his 0.7 ton strength, but still makes him below K.Bulbin's force. Not that we really use speed augmented force over a characters actual strength.

You're going to claim the leader of an Ass Kicking Equals Authority tribe is slower than the average man? Good luck with that.

^Link is too durable.

The arrows consistently display that speed, in TP they pierce stone. Ganondorf casually parries them or teleports out of the way of them.

Russell can't stop Link from drawing his sword, Russell dies as soon as that happens. 60 pages later and you still cannot escape this.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am not saying gameplay matters in how many hits it takes. I am saying it matters in what can hurt him. So you never understood my point to begin with.

That's because your point is inherently contradictory, not only to itself but the game as a whole. It doesn't make sense to accept Link taking damage while ignoring the amount of damage. Both are the same mechanic. How about this: a bomb blows up on Link. In your opinion, what happens? Does he maybe lose a limb? Get blown apart and die? Or does he, as the game portrays, shrug it off and get back up?

What do bombs normally do to people? Mostly, it's red mist and chunks of limbs, but in this case Link isn't even hindered by it. That alone proves superhylian durability, regardless of your 'number of hits' nonsense.

That is incorrect. You are incorrect in assuming he is taking hits from stronger people than Russell. Russell also has speed which adds to the velocity of his attacks. Bulbin does not rip through bodies which is far more impressive than lifting something unquantifiable.

King Bulblin is stronger than Russell, though. His attack knocked a huge boar flying, and disabled it for the rest of the fight. Given how heavy the boar is, it's a much greater feat of strength than Russell gurting someone with human durability. Heck, Link tanked the same kind of attack that wrecked the boar, that at the very least means he's tougher than the boar.

If King Bulblin hit a normal person with that axe, it would break them. His combat strength is simply more impressive than Russell's is.

Superman is up against villains and many characters who can hurt him. I won't say because he shrugs off a blow from WW that she can't harm him now. Ridiculous.

Link is up against villains and characters that can hurt him as well. Zant defeated him before, and Ganondorf can hurt him. I'm just saying the little stuff like King Bulblin are easily shrugged off by him in cutscene, and they're stronger than Russell. So that proves Link can shrug off hits from Russell.

No, the cutscenes do not. Link's formidability changes. His durability does not.

Evidence and context prove that it does, though.

Since when does the Triforce of Courage amp one's durability ? Back your claim.

Since Twilight Princess shows it doing so.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Barring some anti-biased, at least we have you admitting that Link does in fact tank K.Bulbin's strike with no notable injury.

Whats the difference between an ape-like monster hurting Link in gameplay to an ape-like monster hurting Kratos in gameplay to an ape-like monster hurting Asura in gameplay?

Velocity? Alright, just remember that you're the one asking me to consider it:
Speed for the sake of max result- 340m/s
Arm weight used in a strike- 3.35kg
(3.35*340^2)/ 2
= 193,630 Joules

Now assuming a normal 10m/s throw/punch speed:
(193,630*2)/ 10^2
= 3872.6 kg

AKA Russell's Mach 1 velocity punch packs the same force as Link throwing 4.27 tons.

Better than his 0.7 ton strength, but still makes him below K.Bulbin's force. Not that we really use speed augmented force over a characters actual strength.

Nerd math is just guesswork. Completely silly and unnecessary.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You're going to claim the leader of an Ass Kicking Equals Authority tribe is slower than the average man? Good luck with that.

^Link is too durable.

The arrows consistently display that speed, in TP they pierce stone. Ganondorf casually parries them or teleports out of the way of them.

Russell can't stop Link from drawing his sword, Russell dies as soon as that happens. 60 pages later and you still cannot escape this.

No, he is not. Bulbins men have ko'd him as has Zant.

Gameplay mechanic to prevent anything other than sword fight. Show a canon cutscene where he dodges arrows.

If you cannot then you have nothing. Canon cutscenes, nerdo.

Russell slaps his head off, pushes him and then kills him, drains him, or glamours him into being his slave.

Originally posted by The Scenario
That's because your point is inherently contradictory, not only to itself but the game as a whole. It doesn't make sense to accept Link taking damage while ignoring the amount of damage. Both are the same mechanic. How about this: a bomb blows up on Link. In your opinion, what happens? Does he maybe lose a limb? Get blown apart and die? Or does he, as the game portrays, shrug it off and get back up?

What do bombs normally do to people? Mostly, it's red mist and chunks of limbs, but in this case Link isn't even hindered by it. That alone proves superhylian durability, regardless of your 'number of hits' nonsense.

King Bulblin is stronger than Russell, though. His attack knocked a huge boar flying, and disabled it for the rest of the fight. Given how heavy the boar is, it's a much greater feat of strength than Russell gurting someone with human durability. Heck, Link tanked the same kind of attack that wrecked the boar, that at the very least means he's tougher than the boar.

If King Bulblin hit a normal person with that axe, it would break them. His combat strength is simply more impressive than Russell's is.

Link is up against villains and characters that can hurt him as well. Zant defeated him before, and Ganondorf can hurt him. I'm just saying the little stuff like King Bulblin are easily shrugged off by him in cutscene, and they're stronger than Russell. So that proves Link can shrug off hits from Russell.

Evidence and context prove that it does, though.

Since Twilight Princess shows it doing so.

No, he is not. Russell's hands are more impressive than any feats Bulbin has with his axe. That's combat strength. We don't know how heavy the boar is and that does not translate over into head ripping off strength.

It kills them sure. The axe can kill Link as well. I can't say Bulbin nor his axe doing the damage Russell has shown capable of. You just have speculation whereas I have proof.

All of his enemies can hurt him unless shown otherwise. No, he is not since his feats do not prove that. You need proof not just some unquantifiable feat as the basis for your entire argument.

No, it does not. You just pick and choose what applies whereas I accept it all.

Show a statement proving as much. You can't prove it. You just want to pretend it does so you can ignore his weaker feats.

Originally posted by quanchi112
An average athletic man. Yes, he is tough due to brute strength not speed. Think man.

No, he is not. Bulbins men have ko'd him as has Zant.

Gameplay mechanic to prevent anything other than sword fight. Show a canon cutscene where he dodges arrows.

If you cannot then you have nothing. Canon cutscenes, nerdo.

Russell slaps his head off, pushes him and then kills him, drains him, or glamours him into being his slave.

Both things you said here are irrelevant. Link became more durable and Russell cannot polymorph people. Also that didn't KO Link.

So cutscenes are canon, like the one where K.Bulbin can't hurt Link, proving Link is too durable for Russell to win. Good.

Russell is too weak to hurt him, too slow to come within range without getting his head punched off, can't counter the MS or ToC, etc.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
So, with no evidence to support it, you're claiming K.Bulbin is slow because he is strong? Lol.

Both things you said here are irrelevant. Link became more durable and Russell cannot polymorph people. Also that didn't KO Link.

So cutscenes are canon, like the one where K.Bulbin can't hurt Link, proving Link is too durable for Russell to win. Good.

Russell is too weak to hurt him, too slow to come within range without getting his head punched off, can't counter the MS or ToC, etc.

Prove he became more durable.

Yes, it did.

That one is canon. Link was affected. You agreed. Bulbin is slow yet tagged Link but he lacks Russell's body eviscerating strength.

Prove he cannot hurt Link since Bulbins men have kid him.,

Toc nor the Ms can do anything here to save Link.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We see him fight. He is a slow brute. At what point is he fast ?

Prove he became more durable.

Yes, it did.

That one is canon. Link was affected. You agreed. Bulbin is slow yet tagged Link but he lacks Russell's body eviscerating strength.

Prove he cannot hurt Link since Bulbins men have kid him.,

Toc nor the Ms can do anything here to save Link.

This is where I point out a bunch of durability feats and you ignore them, right? Axe, Dangoro, Fyrus, Dragon, cannon, etc.

A class 5 character can move 200 pounds, this does not mean Link was hurt. In fact we can clearly see that he was not.

See the durability feats listed above. All of them make Russell Edgington look like a cool breeze.

The MS kills Russell the second it's drawn. Hell, it probably kills him from inside the scabbard. Link could win with his bare hands, though.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said he did not. The game shows it but not an invulnerability to Bulbin or his attacks.

Nerd math is just guesswork. Completely silly and unnecessary.

You wanted his speed to be taken into consideration, you got it. Welcome to the world of numbers tearing you a new one.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, it does. The game shows us what can harm him but the amount of hits is built into what the gamer needs to do in order to win.

The games shows that it deals half a heart of damage, yes. You can't use gameplay and ignore that part, you know.

Do you have an answer to bombs failing to blow Link apart or not?

No, he is not. Russell's hands are more impressive than any feats Bulbin has with his axe. That's combat strength. We don't know how heavy the boar is and that does not translate over into head ripping off strength.

A boar is far heavier than a head, we know that much. And sending it airborne takes more force than removing a head. King Bulblin hit something with an axe and you claim that isn't combat strength?

It kills them sure. The axe can kill Link as well. I can't say Bulbin nor his axe doing the damage Russell has shown capable of. You just have speculation whereas I have proof.

I have proof of Link shrugging off that hit. That proves Link can also shrug off Russell's hits. All he needs is enough time to draw his sword and he wins.

All of his enemies can hurt him unless shown otherwise. No, he is not since his feats do not prove that. You need proof not just some unquantifiable feat as the basis for your entire argument.

And King Bulblin showed otherwise. Wow, that was easy. He tossed a boar, which quantifies him as stronger than Russell.

No, it does not. You just pick and choose what applies whereas I accept it all.

You ignore context and don't accept that circumstances can change. The fact is, things changed between Link being K.O'd and him shrugging off King Bulblin. To deny this is lunacy.

Show a statement proving as much. You can't prove it. You just want to pretend it does so you can ignore his weaker feats. [/B]

Are you sure you played Twilight Princess?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
At what point is he slow?

This is where I point out a bunch of durability feats and you ignore them, right? Axe, Dangoro, Fyrus, Dragon, cannon, etc.

A class 5 character can move 200 pounds, this does not mean Link was hurt. In fact we can clearly see that he was not.

See the durability feats listed above. All of them make Russell Edgington look like a cool breeze.

The MS kills Russell the second it's drawn. Hell, it probably kills him from inside the scabbard. Link could win with his bare hands, though.

Bulbins men, Zant, etc. we know what can hurt him. Cannon isn't supposed to kill you it is a ride.

We see he was hurt just not significantly hurt.

No, they do not.

Russell kills him prior to him taking it out.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Its hard to hear you over all those "Pay attention to my velocity" lines :T

You wanted his speed to be taken into consideration, you got it. Welcome to the world of numbers tearing you a new one.

Originally posted by The Scenario
The games shows that it deals half a heart of damage, yes. You can't use gameplay and ignore that part, you know.

Do you have an answer to bombs failing to blow Link apart or not?

A boar is far heavier than a head, we know that much. And sending it airborne takes more force than removing a head. King Bulblin hit something with an axe and you claim that isn't combat strength?

I have proof of Link shrugging off that hit. That proves Link can also shrug off Russell's hits. All he needs is enough time to draw his sword and he wins.

And King Bulblin showed otherwise. Wow, that was easy. He tossed a boar, which quantifies him as stronger than Russell.

You ignore context and don't accept that circumstances can change. The fact is, things changed between Link being K.O'd and him shrugging off King Bulblin. To deny this is lunacy.

Are you sure you played Twilight Princess?

We have seen a bomb go off and fail to kill vampires as well. It carries the same weight. Bombs hurt but do not always kill Link just like against vampires.

That is combat strength but we see how pathetic his is first hand.

Russell will be traveling at a much faster rate. If I throw a bullet at you does that mean it has the same effect when fired from a gun ?

Unquantifiable.

Hyperbole.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
His movements, actions and feats prove he is slow.

Bulbins men, Zant, etc. we know what can hurt him. Cannon isn't supposed to kill you it is a ride.

We see he was hurt just not significantly hurt.

No, they do not.

Russell kills him prior to him taking it out.

Bulbin's men is irrelevant as shown, Russell can't polymorph Link, the cannon in the sky is not a 'ride'.

When was he hurt? Timestamp? At no point during that is he hurt.

You're delluded if you think Russell compares to a 5+ton axeblow.

Russell is too slow and too weak to achieve that.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
So you have nothing?

Bulbin's men is irrelevant as shown, Russell can't polymorph Link, the cannon in the sky is not a 'ride'.

When was he hurt? Timestamp? At no point during that is he hurt.

You're delluded if you think Russell compares to a 5+ton axeblow.

Russell is too slow and too weak to achieve that.

No, it is canon. Russell doesn't need to since he has greater combat strength feats than Mr. unquantifiable.

The ride shows how the cannon is handled in the same universe. 😂

When it hits him.

Russell rips bodies apart minus a weapon unlike Link or Bulbin.

He is faster than anyone who has ever tagged Link. So again without proof and saying he isn't that fast isn't really actually debating.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I have his actions in the game. I can see he is slow. What feats does he have which show exceptional speed ?

No, it is canon. Russell doesn't need to since he has greater combat strength feats than Mr. unquantifiable.

The ride shows how the cannon is handled in the same universe. 😂

When it hits him.

Russell rips bodies apart minus a weapon unlike Link or Bulbin.

He is faster than anyone who has ever tagged Link. So again without proof and saying he isn't that fast isn't really actually debating.

It's irrelevant. Lol. Russell's feats are garbage.

No, the ride is a ride, the cannon in the sky is a high speed trip to Earth.

See, that's not impressive.

Good thing you have no proof Edgington is strong enough to hurt Link then, isn't it.