Link vs Goku!!!

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Well, no. Because you cannot beat the game without Link being fired out of a cannon down to earth or high into the sky without harm. There are cutscenes, it's canon.

The gameplay is just that, gameplay, you can beat the game without ever taking damage, it's not mandatory. It's not part of the story, you don't need to do it, there's no reason to include it.

I mean it IS a game, what fun would it be if you couldn't be hurt? Even Kratos gets hurt by mooks in gameplay, and his durability is apparently city-scale.

Link's durability tends to be disagreed on from form to form but most would argue large-building level for most incarnations.

It's even more confusing since there isn't a definitive Link either. Unlike other game characters where is just one through the series, there is like 10 Links, all with different confusing stats. This is one of the many things that makes Link an odd character to back in a vs thread against a singular narrative based character.

Originally posted by T-Wrecks
It's even more confusing since there isn't a definitive Link either. Unlike other game characters where is just one through the series, there is like 10 Links, all with different confusing stats. This is one of the many things that makes Link an odd character to back in a vs thread against a singular narrative based character.

Generally they will pick the link they think will win. I'm fine with that notion, I just get tired of people suddenly using other feats to attribute.

Link fans agree, that's why in the VGVS it's usually an unwritten rule to specify an incarnation of Link for a battle. It makes it a lot easier to draw feats for Twilight Princess Link or Ocarina of Time Link specifically than a generic Link with no specific game basis to draw from.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Well, no. Because you cannot beat the game without Link being fired out of a cannon down to earth or high into the sky without harm. There are cutscenes, it's canon.

The gameplay is just that, gameplay, you can beat the game without ever taking damage, it's not mandatory. It's not part of the story, you don't need to do it, there's no reason to include it.

I mean it IS a game, what fun would it be if you couldn't be hurt? Even Kratos gets hurt by mooks in gameplay, and his durability is apparently city-scale.

Link's durability tends to be disagreed on from form to form but most would argue large-building level for most incarnations.

It's a contradiction! Link taking no damage compared to a cannonball yet taking damage from a stick is bullshit!

Originally posted by Blight
It's an issue I've been having as well. Link can't put down a chicken and succingtly can be destroyed by one, but an orc bashing him does no damage. There has to be a happy medium, which is why the Preconceived notions exist in the first place, and are probably more on par with what he's actually capable of.

It's Looney Tune physics! Situational damage! Like a Pro wrestler fight. One guy takes enough damage to kill a man yet because he's the hero he rises up and defeats the other because .......HE'S THE HERO!

BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Blight
That's the issue I have, though. Just because you can play the game without taking any damage doesn't mean that the damage couldn't happen. Link has the capability of being harmed by people with wood weapons... it's there, it can happen.

Asura can be harmed by gorilla-like enemies. The same guy that can accidently trip over and headbutt the planet into oblivion.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Kratos can be harmed by human-like enemies in the game. He also withstood an erupting volcano and a strike from a 1600 ft tall Titan.

Asura can be harmed by gorilla-like enemies. The same guy that can accidently trip over and headbutt the planet into oblivion.

Originally posted by Blight
And I maintain that if a human stabbed Kratos in the back while he was asleep, that would constitute a forum lost. Since that's unlikely and Kratos is generally awake in a forum battle and there's no means by which a human can harm him, it's a moot point.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Please stop posting bullshit.

Originally posted by the ninjak
This is what makes me angry. Link can be hurt. But no limit can be factored in due to contradictions.-

-Link taking cannon drop damage without harm.
-Taking damage from common thugs.

It's contradictory. On the highest level.

This is called Gameplay and Story Segregation. In the VGVersus forum theres a rule that says that things that occur in gameplay aren't considered as evidence for what a character can actually do. We go by what happens in the Story and mainly in cutscenes instead.

People need to calm down. Some are new to how VG characters work in these kinds of debate and need to be brought up to speed. Please can we do so calmly and logically.

Originally posted by Blight
Why so sour?

Originally posted by Nephthys
This is called Gameplay and Story Segregation. In the VGVersus forum theres a rule that says that things that occur in gameplay aren't considered as evidence for what a character can actually do. We go by what happens in the Story and mainly in cutscenes instead.

People need to calm down. Some are new to how VG characters work in these kinds of debate and need to be brought up to speed. Please can we do so calmly and logically.

Well then keep getting frustrated over these silly misunderstandings and yelling at each other. I'm not going to get mad over it.

But I will be very disappointed. >:C

Originally posted by Blight
That's the issue I have, though. Just because you can play the game without taking any damage doesn't mean that the damage couldn't happen. Link has the capability of being harmed by people with wood weapons... it's there, it can happen.

We aren't saying necessarily that it can't happen because you can avoid it. We are saying that because it can and can't that we disregard it. It is gameplay that varies for every player.

And what about things like God of War? If you get to the latest point in the game where you legitimately watch Kratos resist being crushed by one of the most physically strong beings in the game, do you really think something like a Skeleton with a rusty sword would ever be able to pierce his skin? I'm not saying Link is on that level, but it's something like that. If we watch his body take a certain amount of force, how does it make sense to agree that something so much less would ever have any real effect?

There also tends to be a lot of varying things that you have to try and find a middle ground for. Say, Pokemon vs Final Fantasy. Would you think it's fair to say that Cloud is five hundred times stronger than some Pokemon because his strength stat is 5000 while this Pokemon's Attack can only reach 415? Both games have completely different math and systems behind all of their stats, so you wouldn't argue based on either stat. That's the whole reason I don't ever say Slaking is just as physically strong as Regigigas. That, and it just makes sense that way. Otherwise everything with a base Speed higher than Pidgeot is suddenly more durable than the metal we build supersonic jets out of and can easily reach multiple Mach velocities.

I'm not the greatest at making points, but I hope you can get what I'm aiming at.

I'm not doing a number crunch as numbers mean nothing to me. But a stick harming link is pretty blatant. If the creators of the game didn't intend on a stick harming Link then why have it there in the first place? Why not make it a hot metal rod? Why not make it a sword? Why is it still a stick and why is it still able to cause enough harm that he doesn't walk through it like superman does bullets?

On the Kratos, thing, I get what you're saying. However it still exists within the realm of possibility that those things can harm him, or at least could. Not to mention magic plays a rather large role and we don't know what the undead hordes are really hitting him with when a skeleton attacks him with a "rusty sword".

Hold on, what stick is beating up Link now?

Originally posted by Blight
I'm not doing a number crunch as numbers mean nothing to me. But a stick harming link is pretty blatant. If the creators of the game didn't intend on a stick harming Link then why have it there in the first place? Why not make it a hot metal rod? Why not make it a sword? Why is it still a stick and why is it still able to cause enough harm that he doesn't walk through it like superman does bullets?

On the Kratos, thing, I get what you're saying. However it still exists within the realm of possibility that those things can harm him, or at least could. Not to mention magic plays a rather large role and we don't know what the undead hordes are really hitting him with when a skeleton attacks him with a "rusty sword".

The same applies to Kratos.

Originally posted by Blight
I'm not doing a number crunch as numbers mean nothing to me. But a stick harming link is pretty blatant. If the creators of the game didn't intend on a stick harming Link then why have it there in the first place? Why not make it a hot metal rod? Why not make it a sword? Why is it still a stick and why is it still able to cause enough harm that he doesn't walk through it like superman does bullets?

On the Kratos, thing, I get what you're saying. However it still exists within the realm of possibility that those things can harm him, or at least could. Not to mention magic plays a rather large role and we don't know what the undead hordes are really hitting him with when a skeleton attacks him with a "rusty sword".

If you don't know that it's anything more than a rusty sword, why would you assume it is? That's counterproductive to the principle of providing feats.

I can only answer with the same reason I gave you before, to make the game possible for the player to lose.

But if you think about it, the developers intend for you to win and enjoy the experience, which means they actually fully intend for the character to be able to defeat all of these opponents. But in order to enjoy the experience fully, you have to be risking something or actually work for it. Otherwise you're watching a movie. And seriously, it just doesn't make sense for so many games to count stuff like that.

What sense of danger would a player get from an unkillable/unhurtable character ? That isn't Link at all. If you think he's impervious to pain/damage then go talk to a professional. Asap.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Hold on, what stick is beating up Link now?