Nemebro raises a valid point though.
The anime is just an adaption of the manga, which is the true canon. There's no indication in said manga that blasts approaching c can be fire by the cast, especially that early.
There's actually a point much later in the series where Gotenks circles the earth multiple times, and it takes him far too long for him to be even approaching c. He was actively racing to test his new speed.
That precludes Piccolo's early blasts being that fast, don't you think?
Originally posted by Lord LucienThe scene that contradicts light speed attacks occurs in the anime.
Personally I'll never use manga over DBZ's anime. My dislike of comics aside, the anime is a far bigger and more prolific part of Dragonball than the manga ever has been, both in terms of audience size and material.
Yes I know. Many times. Goku allowing his hand to be stepped on by an elephant contradicts that. The fact that it hurt, at Full Power Super Saiya, yet punched by a being punched repeated by super beings often get littler more than grunt... is a contradiction.
That franchise is rife with inconsistencies and contradictions.
If ki blasts were FTL then every normal human in that verse would have lightspeed reactions as they've been able to keep track the beams.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Anime is supposed to be used when the manga isn't clear enough on something or shows something that the manga couldn't. Such as speed of attacks. However, if there are things where the anime contradict the manga, then the manga wins.
All of you are wrong: the anime is canon unto itself. Both the manga and anime are canon: thus sayeth the God of the Dragonball franchise: Akira Toriyama.
So any gimpers (Yes, you, Nemebro) that want to claim that the anime is not canon are factually incorrect.
The medium that can be used in this thread is determined by the OP, NOT you guys. So you can kindly STFU about what is acceptable and what is not acceptable until the OP clarifies what he wants to be used as source material in this thread.
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Originally posted by Lord Lucien
The bullet blocking argument doesn't amount to much when the weakest and most pathetic character in DBZ was still capable of this (:45).
You are using an edited clip (not cool, dude...that's dishonest).
Here's the original where the Farmer owns the utter living crap out of Radditz with his gun:
Originally posted by ares834
Also, power levels don't seem to scale linearly. Otherwise the farmer in the first episode with a PL of 5 should be able to destroy mountains.
Actually, Ki energy is very potent. If the farmer knew how to harness that PL of 5, and quite well, he may very well be able to do that. Videl is able to form a tiny tiny bit of ki energy into her hands when Gohan was training her. I'd put her PL at 10-20, there.
Originally posted by Falcon Man
In other words, those lights are moving so fast they make the speed of light seem positively laughable in comparison. Wonder Woman was able to deflect and intercept a whole bunch of them, so that makes her even faster.
IMO, it is more likely that those pieces are being teleported to their location rather than traveling to their location. "Summoned" says it all, for me.
So, no, let's go with the pieces first being summoned and then being thrown at her from a few feet away. Let's just as arbitrarily say that they are moving at 50 kmh rather than billions/trillions of times faster than light because, hey, WW exceeding the laws of physics by using a greater than infinite amount of energy to move faster than light, while in a corporeal/physical form, is far less believable than her moving at around the speed of sound.
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But, if you want to believe she breaks the laws of physics and exceeds an infinite amount of energy, that's okay: it just doesn't make sense.
Let that be a lesson to any of you that want to make DBZ characters move faster than light (except in the instance of magical teleportion or feeling spiritual energy across the universe (like when Goku wen to SSJ3 on Earth and the Grand Kai could feel his power all the away across the universe)).
As far as who wins: obviously WW. The one thing that Dragonball characters have over many other characters in vs. matches is their ability to fight at extreme hypersonic speeds. Not speed blitzes, not straight line fight, but fighting all over hundreds of miles of land by just exchanging blows (no homo). However, in the face of characters that can react to and even counter relativistic fighters (and, supposedly, fighters that use am magical force that negates the laws of physics: SF), she has an edge.
I would put Android 18 at thousand to millions of times stronger than Post-crisis yet pre DCnU WW...if things were scaled properly and Toriyama wasn't an idiot.
However, Android 18 gets dismantled while exchanging blows with WW. I say the fight lasts 10 minutes with a 10 out of 10 for WW.
On another note, this thread should now be a rule 34: Wonder Woman sexes up Android 18.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Nemebro raises a valid point though.The anime is just an adaption of the manga, which is the true canon. There's no indication in said manga that blasts approaching c can be fire by the cast, especially that early.
There's actually a point much later in the series where Gotenks circles the earth multiple times, and it takes him far too long for him to be even approaching c. He was actively racing to test his new speed.
A few points on your points:
1. In the manga, Roshi near instantly destroyed the moon. Light takes about two seconds to make the trip.
2. The Gotenks feats is pretty ambiguous. It shows the rings, but it doesn't show whether it took him nearly his entire fusion to make the trip and that he was bluffing about taking a nap afterwards, or whether he made the trip near instantly, than took 20+ minute nap. However, he performed this feat in his unamped state. SSJ, SSJ2, and SSJ3 should be substantially faster.
Anyways...
I think Wonder Woman beats Android 18. She's not quite as fast as Superman, but she's up there.. And unlike most of the Z crew, her speed feats are provable high end ones..
Also, her durability is pretty insane as well.. Taking class 100+ punches is par for her, and she has crazy stuff like smothering an exploding warp core against her body to protect Kyle and the surrounding city.
Originally posted by Robtard
DBZ characters are FTL.Season 1 Ep 4 "He's faster than the speed of Light" - Piccolo (in regards to Raditz, the phaggyist and weakest of Saiyans)
How would he know? He doesn't have a way of measuring, and the actual speed he shows is massively less. We have people like Frieza taking significant time to cross a mere part of a planet. A planet is way less than a light second across and it took him a fair while to travel from Nail to Dende & the dragon balls.
It's just common hyperbole.
Originally posted by RobtardSo not only are you pretending that the anime is canon (No shit it is canon to itself dadudemon every ****ing anime is canon to itself no matter how unfaithful to the manga), but that the friggin' dub is canon?
DBZ characters are FTL.Season 1 Ep 4 "He's faster than the speed of Light" - Piccolo (in regards to Raditz, the phaggyist and weakest of Saiyans)
That line does not exist in the original Japanese.
Also, Diana>Elephants>FSSJ Goku>Android 18.