The Doctor vs Doctor Doom

Started by marwash223 pages

pretty sure he doesn't lose any memories at all outside of something weird happening during regeneration. He's a different person in the sense that his personality and body completely changes, but memories and experiences carry over each time.... He was mid-sentence when he went from Eccleston to Tennant.

Doom ftm

Originally posted by ares834
Read my post again.

I admitted Doom has the higher feats (BTW the Doctor has faced down multiversal threats as well) but the Doctor's average is higher than Doom's. And therefore, I'm going to give him the win.

False.

Finally someone is in my corner.

So I'm caught up on Dr. Who and still don't see him as THAT much of a threat to Doom....

The problem is the full days prep.

And Dr Who is the guest in this fight. And a day of prep for Dr Who with his sidekick (as far as episodes go) isn't enough to discover Doom's weaknesses.

Whereas. Doom has a day of prep preparing for a Timelord!!!!!
The OP states that Doom has a day to prepare for Dr Who. How he obtained such prep? I dunno. He just does.

Doom has the advantage because he has "Homefield Advantage" which is huge.

Doom gets retconned into a Kang fanboy named Mindset.

Originally posted by Bentley
Doom gets retconned into a Kang fanboy named Mindset.

Ouch!.........

But how does that counter my argument of Dr Who having a days prep in a foreign reality. Yet Doom has a days prep on his homeground?

The Doctor can leave the Marvel-verse and return to his own universe whenever he wants. So the OP declares!

Originally posted by Nephthys
The Doctor can leave the Marvel-verse and return to his own universe whenever he wants. So the OP declares!

More time wasted in prep time is it not?

Whereas Doom is waiting with absolute knowledge of a Timelord. With all the tech, resources and magic available to him.

Plus YOU stated in the OP that Latveria is the battlezone. So if Dr Who leaves the battlezone that counts as BFR. An instant loss!

Only as long as the Tardis takes to make a jump.

After the fight has started. He's welcome to go where ever he wants during his prep-time. Plus the BFR rule allows him to leave as long as he can return swiftly.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Only as long as the Tardis takes to make a jump.

After the fight has started. He's welcome to go where ever he wants during his prep-time. Plus the BFR rule allows him to leave as long as he can return swiftly.

News to me 😄, Helps me on other threads. I thought BFR was BFR. It takes time for the guy to walk into the Tardis and activate the controls. And that isn't instantaneous.

I thought it was stated an hour is an hour with the prep time.

It is. Prep time for an opponent is their prep time in their eyes.

No ones pulling off a Bill and Ted here.
One second they're there and a minute later they give themselves 10 years worth of guitar practice. That's cheating.

Not to mention if that were an option, Doom could achieve it as well. He has Time Travel in his suit.

Sorry for the necro, but I feel the need to bump this because people are seriously underestimating the Doctor here. Sure, Doom beat the Beyonder, but tricking and defeating cosmic beings is practically the Doctor's bread and butter.

The cosmic hierarchy in Doctor Who is at least as complex and convoluted as Marvel's, but here is a brief overview:

Both the Time Lords and Time War-era Daleks have weapons/technology capable of destroying everything in the multiverse, save for themselves (the Final Sanction and the Reality Bomb). Furthermore, they were both able to pull out these technologies even when their resources were severely diminished (the Time Lords as they were losing the Time War and had been driven back to their homeworld, and the Daleks as just a small, recovering fleet that escaped the Time War).

Beings that are on this level or higher but don't generally need technology are known as Transcendental Beings, which are basically non-corporeal cosmic entities.

First of all, the Eternals. They are basically higher-dimensional, god-like beings (some of which embody concepts like Death, Time, Pain, etc.) Some of them were even worshipped as Gods by the Time Lords.

The Chronovores are Transcendental Beings that are possibly on the same tier as the Eternals, though generally weaker. Still, as their name implies, they eat time itself, and one Chronovore can easily devour an entire universe. Kronos, the strongest Chronovore, was the offspring of a Chronovore and an Eternal.

Also on the same tier (although still seemingly weaker than the Eternals) are the Great Old Ones, who are Transcendental Beings from the previous universe who survived the Big Crunch and Big Bang and were reborn into the current universe with immense powers (like Galactus). However, most of them are incapable of fully manifesting in this dimension, but they have powers to threaten the Time Lords and Daleks. Unlike the Eternals and Chronovores, who are both entire species with many individuals, there are only a dozen or so Great Old Ones.

During the height of the Time War, which was conducted on a multiversal scale, when the Time Lords and Daleks were going all-out and throwing everything they had at each other, the Eternals' reaction was pretty much "Wow, you kids are sure making a mess of our backyard. We're going to go somewhere quieter".

Above them all are the Guardians of Time, also known as the Sixfold God, 6 Transcendental Beings who rule over all time, space, universes, and dimensions, and are clearly abstract, embodying concepts like Chaos and Order on a beyond-multiversal scale. They are much more powerful than the Eternals and would often arbitrate disputes between them. There are only 6 Guardians, but just 1 of them is implied to be more powerful than the entire races of Eternals, Chronovores, and Great Old Ones combined.

Overseeing the Guardians of Time are the Grace, who basically appoint the Guardians to run the omniverse like TOAA appoints the Living Tribunal. On a similar level to them is the Glory, which controls and directs the omniverse.

Going by just the TV show, a quick laundry list of beings the Doctor has outsmarted/defeated include:

- The Animus, one of the Great Old Ones, also known as a Lloigor
- The Beast, who fit the description of a Great Old One, and was the psychic inspiration for every Satan/devil figure in the universe
- The Great Intelligence, another of the Great Old Ones, also known as Yog-Sothoth. Notable here is that the Doctor's own personal timeline was so complex and intertwined with the fate of reality that the Great Intelligence was only able to corrupt it as the cost of its own life, but the Doctor and his companion Clara fixed it.
- Fenric, another Great Old One, whose power was threatening the universe
- Sutekh the Destroyer, not a Transcendental Being, but an insanely powerful alien, who had power comparable to one. The Doctor stated that even the Time Lords wouldn't be able to stop him if he escaped at full power
- Omega, one of the founders of Time Lord society, who had been trapped billions of years ago in a black hole leading to a universe of antimatter, which he learned to warp and control with his will, so much that even though his physical body decayed he existed as a creature of pure will, and was powerful enough to overwhelm the Time Lords before the Doctor defeated him
- The Celestial Toymaker, also known as the Crystal Guardian, one of the Guardians of Time, the embodiment of Dream and Fantasy
- The Black Guardian, another of the Guardians of Time, this one the embodiment of Darkness and Chaos

Including his feats in the EU, he also defeated The Grace

Also, time travel by itself is very easy to do for most races in DW, so being capable of it won't help you much. The simpler forms of time travel (like the time agents' vortex manipulators) are to a TARDIS what a bicycle is to a space shuttle.

Finally, the Doctor actually has canon plot shields, in other words, the universe and all of the laws of reality will generally conspire in his favor. This is actually the explanation given for why enemies tend to always miss when shooting at him.

Oi

How powerful is a single Eternal?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Oi

How powerful is a single Eternal?

It varies but they seem to range from around Cube being level to abstract level

I also forgot to mention that the Doctor defeated the Gods of Ragnarok, three very powerful Great Old Ones/Transcendental Beings who some source state to be stronger than the Eternals but weaker than the Guardians of Time. The Gods of Ragnarok had created and destroyed many universes for their own amusement, including creating one known as the Land of Fiction, where all fictional characters and stories become real.