Originally posted by dynamix
I'm a huge hulk fan but i'd like to challenge the notion that hulk can damage the destroyer. Any panel proof?
I'd be more interested to know why you believe that he could not. This entire thread hinges on proof of whether the Hulk at that point could muster enough strength to actually damage something that has been damaged in the past. Which is why I'm sort of on the fence concerning the entire subject.
Several questions has me wondering if it would be possible. Red She Hulk at base punched through a dimensional barrier. The Hulk has too at a much lower level. The Hulk smashed through beings that Umar was incapable of ridding herself, and Umar in her realm is quite the power house. There is a scene that many argue that the Hulk and Betty leveled the Dark Dimension with an in air collision, while other believe it to only be a planet and a couple of moons that were destroyed. Either one of those feats are impressive, when considering that they weren't directly attacking the planets. having the ability to go without noticing that he was being wailed on by class 100's that would give Thor at base a good fight is another example.
I'm trying to understand why the Destroyer would not be damaged by this kind of might, or how strong he would have to be in order to damage it. Thor slagged it while being on a higher level after all, so why couldn't the Hulk do the same at a much higher level than he ever has been on?
I can't bring myself to believe he can harm the destroyer because he's never done it. Unless he did and i was unaware of, i can only go with what's shown, at this point lol. I actually bought and read that issue (havent bought comic books in A LOOOONNG TIME!) with the "Wish" and really was awed by the co-display and i think it make sense to think that hulk might have what it take to do damage to the armor. Which leads me to another thing, has anybody who is NOT of magical nature ever harmed the Destroyer? Your statement on Thor being able to harm the armor got me curious and i can only surmise that it was due to Thor's magical nature...something Hulk probably doesn't have in his arsenal at the time being. But if magic isn't necessary to hurt the Destroyer, i think Hulk has a good shot of doing it based on that arc. I'm skeptic though, cause the Armor was made to stand up to the Celestials (it didnt do too well though, lol). Hulk during that arc can be categorize as trans tier which mean he's still levels below Celestials. But with his ever growing power level, it might happen down the road.
Originally posted by dynamix
I can't bring myself to believe he can harm the destroyer because he's never done it. Unless he did and i was unaware of, i can only go with what's shown, at this point lol. I actually bought and read that issue (havent bought comic books in A LOOOONNG TIME!) with the "Wish" and really was awed by the co-display and i think it make sense to think that hulk might have what it take to do damage to the armor. Which leads me to another thing, has anybody who is NOT of magical nature ever harmed the Destroyer? Your statement on Thor being able to harm the armor got me curious and i can only surmise that it was due to Thor's magical nature...something Hulk probably doesn't have in his arsenal at the time being. But if magic isn't necessary to hurt the Destroyer, i think Hulk has a good shot of doing it based on that arc. I'm skeptic though, cause the Armor was made to stand up to the Celestials (it didnt do too well though, lol). Hulk during that arc can be categorize as trans tier which mean he's still levels below Celestials. But with his ever growing power level, it might happen down the road.
I'm not entirely sure what a Celestial is, but I'm betting against them being magical in nature, but more of a cosmic flavor. They slagged the Destroyer, so my point is just to say that i don't believe that it is only susceptible to being damaged magical attacks alone. The Hulk is technically a cosmic character due to the gamma rays that he houses within him. Gamma rays come from stars so....
Also you brought up a good point. The Forgotten Ones are as magical as they come, and the Hulk was breaking them apart by the ranks. Umar could not do this and employed the Hulk to push them far enough back that she could resume business as usual. These same creatures nearly killed the Merged Hulk in the past, and that version of the Hulk knocked a full sized Abomination off his feet with one punch, and he was only the size of a mouse when he did it. WB Hulk was far superior to Merged Hulk, I mean the gap in comparison was pretty wide.
Two different power levels in concerns to the level that the Hulk was on, and when he was in the Dark Dimension, so what you may suggest as an absolute, really isn't one. Also if Thor was able to beat the Destroyer by beheading, what makes you think that Zeus could not do the same? Thor beat the Destroyer when it housed a more powerful being than Loki. Something to factor in.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Mortal powered destroyer no sold a point blank antiforce. And his "most powerful" storm. Thor has never actually been able to hurt the destroyer that I know of actually. He's kncoked it back, turned it's head, yadda yadda but nothing lasting. Bfr has been his ace,The wreckers crowbar shattered on impact with it, no sold hercules' punches, easily took an amping savage Hulk's assault etc. Some stuff off the top of my head.
I know of those feats, and they are no doubt impressive but
again durabilitywise, they are nothing that WBH himself could not do, or has not exceeded,
Furthermore WBH packs way way more of a wallop than any of those attacks u mentioned (even indirectly) which is why im not willing to make the fallacious logical leap and claim that the destroyer holds up indefinitely. IMO to win, it would have to get really esoteric, and have to avoid a physical confrontation because the strength gap would leave it largely on the defensive and unlike Hulk it doesnt have a healing factor repairing damage almost as quickly as it gets inflicted
Then continue being the childish idiot that you are well known to be. I knew that I should have ignored you. And the word is drivel, if you're going to attempt to be witty, try not to make yourself look like an idiot in the process.
God lord I've already said too much. Don't feed the troll is my new motto. Must remember this in the future.
Originally posted by Stoic
Then continue being the childish idiot that you are well known to be. I knew that I should have ignored you. And the word is drivel, if you're going to attempt to be witty, try not to make yourself look like an idiot in the process.God lord I've already said too much. Don't feed the troll is my new motto. Must remember this in the future.
Don't know why you replied to him. You know he hates Hulk, you know no matter what, he will vote against Hulk, you was just giving him a reason to bash. I have him on ignore, you might want to do the same.
Originally posted by Naija boy
I know of those feats, and they are no doubt impressive but
again durabilitywise, they are nothing that WBH himself could not do, or has not exceeded,Furthermore WBH packs way way more of a wallop than any of those attacks u mentioned (even indirectly) which is why im not willing to make the fallacious logical leap and claim that the destroyer holds up indefinitely. IMO to win, it would have to get really esoteric, and have to avoid a physical confrontation because the strength gap would leave it largely on the defensive and unlike Hulk it doesnt have a healing factor repairing damage almost as quickly as it gets inflicted
I don't see WBH no selling what Thor hit the destroyer with personally. The anti-force, and the utter pounding it withstood while animated by a mortal is no small feat. I could see Hulk quickly healing of course to the point where it wouldn't be shown, but the damage should show initially.
Well not indefinetely of course. But what could hold up indefinitely to WBH? What the destroyer needs to do is hold enough to get the forum win, and it very well could.
Depends how you see it. Thor's staggered and hurt a lot of amazingly powerful beings with that hammer.
The gap in strength could be made up by the raw power the destroyer possesses. It's blasts have broken Mjolnir, and it's fists have grooved it. Not to mention it's disintegration beam is capable of killing Thor with one exposure to it.
If Loki felt like saying "I'll teach you mortal to mess with me" and slugged it out, yeah Hulk will win. But using striking wisely, energy, illusions, etc, I'd give it to the destroyer.
Originally posted by carver9
If Nul can brush off repeated Mjlonir strikes from a Thor that is trying to kill him, WBH shouldn't even be phased by Thor charged hammer strikes imo.
The Destroyer is going to have it's work cut out, and the limits of it's durability are going to be seriously tested.