Entropy Aegis Steel vs. The Fury

Originally posted by Golgo13
Wasn't the last Fury stopped by the X-Men?

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
If you're referring to the Uncanny X-Men incident , then both the Fury(/ies) and Jaspers were alternate versions , and neither of them were remotely at the level of the originals .

What happened to the original one?

Originally posted by Golgo13
What happened to the original one?

The original was defeated after it reappeared merged with MJJ , during Wanda's chaos . Don't remember the exact context of his defeat though .

Thanks, but does the MJJ merge make him more powerful? What year did we last see the OG Fury?

Originally posted by Golgo13
Thanks, but does the MJJ merge make him more powerful? What year did we last see the OG Fury?

That said , he was defeated by the Captain Britain Corps(although not w/o heavy losses on their part) , and I don't remember the exact context behind his defeat .

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Its actually only a possibility that I postulated . You did ask what could the Fury do the Aegis , and I gave you a scenario based on how the Aegis was decommisioned(by freeing Johns soul from it) .

As far as an NLF goes , Fury's adaption powers appeared to be pretty NLFy to me . IMO , if there is a possibility that its opponent can be beaten , then the Fury(as long as its not out of gas) could most likely adapt accordingly to execute the perfect strategy to beat that opponent .

Do you not see the problem with that?

Originally posted by Galan007
This same logic could (and has) been used for H/P Doomsday. ie. unless his opponent wields entropic energies, DD will ultimately adapt beyond ANY opponent he faces, no matter HOW powerful they are (search h1's posts if you don't believe me.)

Do you not see the problem with that?

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Except Doomsday was shown to have a limit to to his adaption powers , while Fury didn't . As pertains adaption ability , Fury is in a completely different league compared to Doomsday . h1's pi$$-poor logic is irrelevant to all of this .

I agree that h1's logic regarding H/P DD (see above) is poor, but it's very similar to the logic you're using on Fury's behalf (in the no-limits fallacy sense.)

Fury. EA is powerful sure but the thing was still a Probe that had been improvised by Apokoliptian tech. Fury is a machine created by one of the most powerful reality warper in the MU. It fought and defeated said being. More likely than not the Fury will take apart the Aegis Entropy. It's far more advanced and has better feats under it.

Originally posted by Galan007
The only thing H/P Doomsday was unable to evolve beyond was entropy-- hence my above statement: "unless his opponent wields entropic energies, DD will ultimately adapt beyond ANY opponent he faces, no matter HOW powerful they are."

I agree that h1's logic regarding H/P DD (see above) is poor, but it's very similar to the logic you're using on Fury's behalf (in the no-limits fallacy sense.)

Fury is not Doomsday . He has feats under his belt which a lower-level adapter like Doomsday could only dream of . Feats which would justify such a stance that I am taking about him in this thread . Trying to equate my logic to h1's is , frankly speaking , an underhanded tactic imo , and isn't going to deter the fact that Fury wins against the EA in this thread .

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Fury. EA is powerful sure but the thing was still a Probe that had been improvised by Apokoliptian tech. Fury is a machine created by one of the most powerful reality warper in the MU. It fought and defeated said being. More likely than not the Fury will take apart the Aegis Entropy. It's far more advanced and has better feats under it.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
You mean to say that its feat of on-panel defeating one of the most powerful beings in Marvel Mainstream doesn't convince you that he would be capable of such power

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
as to adapt to virtually any opponent presented before it and end up beating said opponent(not to mention the fact that he DID end up beating EVERY single superpowered being on the Earth of reality-238 , which would include magic based superbeings like soul manipulators) ?

Frankly, you're wanking Fury a bit too much here. Can it win? Absolutely. But c'mon, soul manipulation? There's got to be something better than that... Something you can actually prove. :-/

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Fury is not Doomsday . He has feats under his belt which a lower-level adapter like Doomsday could only dream of . Feats which would justify such a stance that I am taking about him in this thread . Trying to equate my logic to h1's is , frankly speaking , an underhanded tactic imo , and isn't going to deter the fact that Fury wins against the EA in this thread .

The Fury could assimilate Entropy Aegis.

@Galan : As I said before , that was merely a possible scenario I postulated(the question mark at the end of that reply should have indicated that) .

Also , if you read through my previous post more closely , you'll realize that I gave made my stance clearer with the statement "as to adapt to virtually any opponent presented before it" .

Originally posted by "Id"
The Fury could assimilate Entropy Aegis.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
@Galan : As I said before , that was merely a possible scenario I postulated(the question mark at the end of that reply should have indicated that) .

Also , if you read through my previous post more closely , you'll realize that I gave made my stance clearer with the statement "as to adapt to [b]virtually any opponent presented before it" . [/B]

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Fury. EA is powerful sure but the thing was still a Probe that had been improvised by Apokoliptian tech. Fury is a machine created by one of the most powerful reality warper in the MU. It fought and defeated said being. More likely than not the Fury will take apart the Aegis Entropy. It's far more advanced and has better feats under it.

I'm not going to get involved in this debate because I don't have a clue as to the outcome, but I do know that who made what and how is totally irrelevant.

Amazo was made by a human, but managed to copy the Warlogog, a divine weapon (lasso), Oan tech (GL ring), etc.

Speaking of the Warlogog, that's New God tech. So's the Genesis Box, and lots of other fun toys. New God/Apokolips tech is no insignificant.

I never saw the Fury literally manipulate a soul.

However, he did kill (one shot) a character called "Iron Talon" from Earth 238.

"Talon" could transform into a phantom-like essence (completely invisible/intangible)

Don't know if that makes a difference or relates but I thought it was worth the mention.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I never saw the Fury literally manipulate a soul.

However, he did kill (one shot) a character called "Iron Talon" from Earth 238.

"Talon" could transform into a phantom-like essence (completely invisible/intangible)

Don't know if that makes a difference or relates but I thought it was worth the mention.

However, Zeitgeist had very similar abilities, and Fury was unable to adapt to him:

Thanks to Zeitgeist, that grouping of heroes(The Special Executive, I think they were called) were able to get the better of Fury:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13157498/3.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13157500/4.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13157502/5.jpg.html

However, that was before Fury had absorbed the cave-sized computer, thus it was not at 'max powa'. It had still killed every hero on earth 238, and survived universal nullification, though, so it was still pretty uber.

Anyway, I really don't think Fury was capable of manipulating souls. I'm still not opposed to it defeating the E/A, though-- just don't see it happening via that particular method. It's too much of a stretch, imo.

Originally posted by Galan007

However, Zeitgeist had very similar abilities,
and Fury was unable to adapt to him:

It's actually different friend.

Zeitgeist is an abstract entity.
He doesn't really exist within any reality because he materializes an avatar phantom form
from another dimension while his actual form stays within said other dimension.

That cat is no joke.

He can shift this phantom avatar form
to engage within whatever physical reality he's in.

This is why the Fury could not adapt, (or actually detect/register something to adapt)
Zeitgeist is never really there.

On the other hand, at-least a "soul" is connected to its parent reality.

Originally posted by Galan007

However, that was before Fury had absorbed the cave-sized
computer, thus it was not at 'max powa'. It had still killed every hero
on earth 238, and survived universal nullification, though, so it was
still pretty uber.

Originally posted by Galan007

Anyway, I really don't think Fury was capable of manipulating souls.
I'm still not opposed to it defeating the E/A, though-- just don't see it
happening via that particular method. It's too much of a stretch, imo.

^^I agree that there is no evidence that Fury could manipulate souls , but removing the wearer's from the Aegis armor , and thus rendering it ineffective would be quite an excellent strategy(presuming it was capable of such a feat) imo .