Merc... we don't really have to be so hostile about it. I don't immediately reject everything that the EU says, just because it is EU. But my point is that even though the books say 10,000, bercause they are EU, we are not obliged to accept that figure, so I wanted to invite discussion on what we thought the figure might be. And I have! I am happy.
Remember, there are many, many, trillions of people in the Republic. What percentage do we think can make the cut to be Jedi? If it is 10000, then it is about 0.00000001 percent or thereabouts... do people really think it's that small? It's not impossible, but do people really think that?
it's very possible. as someone stated before(I'm too lazy to look back) many people are force sensitive, but not all can be discovered by jedi, if they think they are strong enough, they go to a master and ask. 10,000 is a good number considering that most of the trillions are just ordinary people. Not all are crazy jedi-life threatning goons, all trying to destroy the Republic. I'd say that the numbers of mercenaries and rebels are around 10,000 also, providing an equal bad-guy good-guy ratio
Here's another thought. From TPM and Anakin's response to Qui-Gon's light sabre, it seems as if the Jedi have quite a reputation but that they are rarely seen. Watto's remark ("You think you're some kind of Jedi"😉 makes clear that their ways are kind of known. It seems to be a confirmation of their reputation. So if Jedi are rarely seen, it's not so strange that this elitist group is afirly small. They sure make an impact.
Well qui-gon tells shmi they would have found/detected Anakin much earlier had he lived within the republic. Nobody said take people, but I guess they talk them into it.
I think being a jedi is a honorable thing people want to be. They are few and they are chosen, I would compeare it with being chosen as a guard at the Vatican.(swissguard)
AH, Dim, so you think they have people stationed to look out for the Jedi? In that case, how do they deal with the overload created by the ridiculously enormous birth rate in the Republic? If you needed Jedi to look out for them, then there must be FAR more than 10,000
Merc... why do you always make these wild assumptions about me? I made a perfectly valid comment from the films, then you make out that I made it up..
Ush made a very valid comment indeed, finti. Know your SW.
Maybe they can sense Force sensitive people over long distances as tremors or vergences. I don't know what this Council does, but they also did some kind of Force research about the Sith in TPM. Sitting in their Ivory Tower they somehow sensed that Sith were at play. How did they do that? I think there's a little more going on.
Yes, the idea that Jedi can remotely sense potential recruits is a possible get-out clause. However, if Tatooine is closer to Naboo than Coruscant is, it means that many non-Republic worlds should be within reach of this Jedi sense, so Qui-Gon's quote that Anakin would have been detected if he were 'in the Republic' makes less sense. And surely someone would have sensed Anakin, the most force-sensitive person ever, before Qui-Gon did- which he only did by meeting him?
The Council, of course, probably have all manner of great powers that they can use, especially undr Yoda's guidance, to do extra-sensory research into the Sith. Yet they still didn't find Anakin...
My feeling is that if there number of Jedi is close to the 10,000 figure, then they must have a vast civilian medical operation that checks the Midi-Chlorian count of all babies born in the Republic. However, this contrasts badly with the belief some people have that Midi-Chlorians are a secret. If you believe this, then I think you must also believe the number of Jedi to be much larger- after all, there could be several million Jedi, and that would still only be a tiny fraction of the population of the Republic.
I know you are down on using the EU as reference but Master Thon held a meeting of over 10,000 Jedi Masters on Deneba. Now I don't know if that was all of the masters, but I would think that the number of plain Knights would be far greater than the number of masters.
To determine how many Jedi there are, we first would need to determine the number of habitable systems in the galaxy.
I would assume that the Star Wars galaxy would have a comparable number of stars as our own. If this is the case, then it has roughly 200 billion stars. Looking at the map in the NJO books(EU, I know) it appears that they have explored over three quarters of the galaxy. That would put it at 150 billion registered systems. Not all systems have planets, in fact, I believe that only about 1% of the systems that we have identified in our own galaxy contain planets. That still leaves us with 1.5 billion systems. Out of the roughly 100 systems we have identified, we have only found one that has an atmosphere comparable to that of Earth's. Life could have evolved in a different environment, but since we only know of it evolving in an oxygen rich environment, we would have to assume that only 1% of systems with planets would have habitable planets. That leaves us with 15 million habitable systems. Most habitable systems would have been colonized in the Star Wars universe for one reason or another. So, we have 15 million inhabited planets, and our Jedi find most people with force ability immediately after birth. So how many people are there and how many births are there, and how many of those births are force sensitive?
I would say that Earth is more heavily populated than they average of most Star Wars planets. So let's just put the number at about half. That would be 3 billion people per 15 million(maybe more because some systems have more than one habitable planet) planets, which would be 45 quadrillion people. Now in order to identify the force-laden individuals, a Jedi could not be too far away, because Qui-Gonn could not sense Anakin's force potential. If Anakin was found on a sparsely populated planet such as Tatooine, I would have to say that there is approximately one force-sensitive individual per 1 billion people. That would put the number of force-sensitives at 45 million. I would say that most of those are weak in the force and are never considered for training. So lets say we have 10 million people powerful enough in the force to be or become Jedi knights. The number of trained and untrained would have to be about the same so we would have approximately 5 million trained Jedi Knights and Masters.
What do you think?
Huh Merc, I don't think Ush could clear this up for you...😂
As for the detection of force sensitive people..I think Ush's idea of testing at birth might be a good notion..if not that then I atleast feel like there are people within the Jedi organization (who are *NOT* knights) who are on the lookout of force sensitives... If Lucas decides to go with the 10,000 number then I don't see how the knights could carry out that duty..especially if the numbers that Tsavong mentioned (😱 😂 ) are reiterated in the next two movies