Transition to Sky......

Prime, (classic) Strange/Fate, Onslaught, Amazo, HOTM Hulk...all of these characters have feats that place them firmly above the herald level class. There is no argument there. Yet some have (arguably) feats that reach well into the skyfather pool and therein lies my question.

What does it take for a Trans tier character to (for lack of a better word) " transcend" into the Skyfather realm? Especially when some skyfathers (Zeus for example) lack the feats that place them within their own category.

I hate to say it but nothing either they lose to a skyfather and there a high trans or they win and they are above

Granted they could stalemate but comics rarely have a true stalemate

Strange/Fate , Onslaught and/or Amazo(depending on what sort of power(s) he has duplicated) .

I think you missed my question pym. Im asking what does one have to do to earn that title? Alotta things skyfathers do %shaking dimensions with fisticuffs, casually destroying planets, making teams of heralds their bitkh) Trans characters do too, and on a more consistent basis

Ahh

I'd say transferable power and entire realms of your own creation

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I think you missed my question pym. Im asking what does one have to do to earn that title? Alotta things skyfathers do %shaking dimensions with fisticuffs, casually destroying planets, making teams of heralds their bitkh) Trans characters do too, and on a more consistent basis

Thanos could be a very likely contender , what with his never ending upgrades by Mistress Death everytime he is revived by her . Not to mention he managed to briefly hold his own against one of Marvel's elite skyfathers , that too in the latter's own realm . Strange that you didn't include him in this thread , Sin .

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Ahh

I'd say transferable power and entire realms of your own creation

Or grow a kick-ass beard.

Yeah, like future Pym

Originally posted by Scoobless
Or grow a kick-ass beard.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
When have trans characters casually busted galaxies or shaken dimensions in their fisticuffs ?

Not busted shook, and Thanos goes without saying

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Not busted shook, and Thanos goes without saying

Versatility is the main key for reaching skyfather levels. If you don't have it, you don't belong. You can be as powerful as you want physical, if you are not versatile enough to contend with a true skyfather, your chances are gone. You can have the power but you also need the versatility. Example...Umar is a true high end skyfather. She admitted on panel TWICE that she didn't have the power to defeat the Mindless ones. Not only did Hulk defeat them at WWH levels...when going into full, blown, WBH mode, he killed the Mindless Ones with a back lash of a single punch. That wasn't just it. He killed 2 physical high Herald, a being that was amped enough to destroy Worlds and he destroyed a being that over powered Merged Hulk with one arm and defeated Surfer at the same time. He killed all of these beings without even touching them and being at couple of 100 ft in the air. That's not it...he took out the planet and two moons (remember, single punch, also remember, a high end skyfather admitted she couldnt take out some of these beings under her own power and Hulk killed them without even touching them).

Let's also not forget that the current/recent depictions of the Mindless ones was capable of shrugging off attacks from high Heralds like nothing. To the point that Nova himself had to flee because his power output wasn't enough to even damage them.

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They were also capable of walking in neutron stars without even feeling it.

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The heat from Hulk punch killing these beings should outright be intense as hell. After all of this...I still wouldn't put Hulk in the skyfather tier because even though he is a physical monster, he is missing a lot of things. I wouldn't put Amazo either or Strange.

Originally posted by carver9
Versatility is the main key for reaching skyfather levels. If you don't have it, you don't belong. You can be as powerful as you want physical, if you are not versatile enough to contend with a true skyfather, your chances are gone. You can have the power but you also need the versatility. Example...Umar is a true high end skyfather. She admitted on panel TWICE that she didn't have the power to defeat the Mindless ones. Not only did Hulk defeat them at WWH levels...when going into full, blown, WBH mode, he killed the Mindless Ones with a back lash of a single punch. That wasn't just it. He killed 2 physical high Herald, a being that was amped enough to destroy Worlds and he destroyed a being that over powered Merged Hulk with one arm and defeated Surfer at the same time. He killed all of these beings without even touching them and being at couple of 100 ft in the air. That's not it...he took out the planet and two moons (remember, single punch, also remember, a high end skyfather admitted she couldnt take out some of these beings under her own power and Hulk killed them without even touching them).

Let's also not forget that the current/recent depictions of the Mindless ones was capable of shrugging off attacks from high Heralds like nothing. To the point that Nova himself had to flee because his power output wasn't enough to even damage them.

http://m287.photobucket.com/albumview/albums/kingaholu/Hulk%20feats/Mindlessonesnearlyindestructible-1.jpg.html?src=www&action=view&current=Mindlessonesnearlyindestructible-1.jpg?pbauth=1_uLEBonVPfaLdh1h3YMYz2ZgvrJGpci%2Flw4dNfyny7pOl7p%2FscAJPVCM7WoQn58cTMIBJps0G3bPrrSc%2FmuQafiUA5mP1sPUoO7pVcbaLs2jTjO9PQVL7oDv%2FQZ%2B7yqIrI%2Bgk36ROXlMDjYj6LDgQwhKj367cpIfAgxf5l0E%2F3yw%3D

They were also capable of walking in neutron stars without even feeling it.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/MindlessonesNeutron.jpg

The heat from Hulk punch killing these beings should outright be intense as hell. After all of this...I still wouldn't put Hulk in the skyfather tier because even though he is a physical monster, he is missing a lot of things. I wouldn't put Amazo either or Strange.

Edit : You should have used Dormammu instead . Now HE on the other hand , is an established high-level skyfather entity .

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
What feats of Umar suggest that she's a high-end skyfather ?

Edit : You should have used Dormammu instead . Now HE on the other hand , is an established high-level skyfather entity .

Dormammu is currently powerless and Umar is walking around with his power along with having control of the Dark Dimension. It was even stated on panel that he is powerless when he fought the Avengers last month (or the month before, cant remember but he is weakened because Umar has his power.)She also aided in stomping eternity and she has matched Dormammu in an extended fight IIRC.

Originally posted by carver9
Dormammu is currently powerless and Umar is walking around with his power along with having control of the Dark Dimension. It was even stated on panel that he is powerless when he fought the Avengers last month (or the month before, cant remember but he is weakened because Umar has his power.)She also aided in stomping eternity and she has matched Dormammu in an extended fight IIRC.

Classic Dorms was able to stalemate an Eternity M-Body under his own power , a feat which is beyond most skyfathers .

What extended fight ?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Prime, (classic) Strange/Fate, Onslaught, Amazo, HOTM Hulk...all of these characters have feats that place them firmly above the herald level class. There is no argument there. Yet some have (arguably) feats that reach well into the skyfather pool and therein lies my question.

What does it take for a Trans tier character to (for lack of a better word) " transcend" into the Skyfather realm? Especially when some skyfathers (Zeus for example) lack the feats that place them within their own category.

The only logical answer to your question would be that the trans level characters in question would have to produce feats beyond their tier consistently. Zeus has been declared equal to Odin according to Dormammau.

Originally posted by Sundipped
The only logical answer to your question would be that the trans level characters in question would have to produce feats beyond their tier consistently. Zeus has been declared equal to Odin according to Dormammau.

Declared equal and having feats to support this claim aren't one and the same

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Declared equal and having feats to support this claim aren't one and the same

I know the scene your talking about, I think mephisto was retelling the story, and I get what was implied but still.....no feats