I think you need a combination of powerset and consistent feats against skyfather level and above characters to be bumped up. Prime has the feats (Monarch battle, flying through AM's chest, wrecking entire groups of heralds without trying, etc.), but not the powerset (although I think most would place a rough Prime analogue in SA Supes in the skyfather tier). HOTM Hulk has much the same problem, albeit magnified given that it's solely his strength that would place him in that tier. I'd actually argue that Classic Strange and PC Dr. Fate are skyfathers given the totality of their feats. Not sure about Onslaught.
The problem with all of those guys are their lack of power and versatility. Some are even lacking in the durability department, which is what knocks them right back down several tiers below the Sky Father level. Thanos is a high trans, because although he has versatility, and power, he hits a wall in terms of the scope of his powers. A true Sky Father would have been able to toss Tyrant about or stand on equal footing with him. Dr. Strange of classic showings had loads of power, but his durability was that of a human when he wasn't amplifying his base stats.
Superman Prime has all of the strength, speed, and power to be a Sky Father, but he lacks certain exotic abilities that transcend the physical to be considered anything other than a Trans level.
The Hulk at higher levels has the strength, and durability of a Trans level, but could never break out of that tier due to his inability to transcend the physical. However he does fill up the Trans level glass when it comes to kicking butt.
The Flash has me stumped, because I've always wondered how powerful a Speed Force user could become. I'm willing to bet that at really high levels that one of these guys would reach right up into the Sky Father tier. KC Flash is a good example IMO.
We all know what Thor's destiny is, and we've already seen him fill bigger shoes than Odin's.
Mordru at his best IMO is an Elite Sky Father, but he's all over the place, so he gets the Trans label on average.
To somewhat answer the OP, you really have to be of special stock to be considered a Sky Father.
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
PC Fate is easily beyond a skyfather. There are skyfathers, and then there are people who have the power level to compete with skyfathers. With his magical immunity, Prime would be a nightmare for many skyfathers, but I wouldn't call him a skyfather.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
LOL.....I would call him loads of trouble/annoyance for a skyfather like Odin , but definitely not a nightmare .
First thing you missed was I said "many skyfathers", not "skyfathers like Odin." Secondly, characters like Umar or other lesser skyfathers would have trouble with a guy who can move as fast as him, are as strong and can tank universe-busting blasts (who was the last skyfather who destroyed a universe?) and is immune to magic (Mordru?). So yeah, he would be a problem for characters whose main attacks are mystical.
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
First thing you missed was I said "many skyfathers", not "skyfathers like Odin." Secondly, characters like Umar or other lesser skyfathers would have trouble with a guy who can move as fast as him, are as strong and can tank universe-busting blasts (who was the last skyfather who destroyed a universe?) and is immune to magic (Mordru?). So yeah, he would be a problem for characters whose main attacks are mystical.
Problem yes , nightmare no .
Originally posted by Sin I AMHe did say "when skyfathers rumble the earth shakes beneath him"
There was no depiction of them coming to blows, more like they were peacocking
So if they were in another dimension and the earth shook by there power then it had to be a scuffle at least 😕
By the way, the statement that zeus=Odin =Dormammu has been stated countless times , countless times.
Dormmamu , Krovac and even odin himself has said zeus was equal to them in power, not to mention even pak and gillen says it in there forumspring.
Iirc even thanos said something of the sort in marvel the end
Originally posted by Sin I AM
There was no depiction of them coming to blows, more like they were peacocking
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Peacocking ?
Anyways , this is the scene the entire controversy is about :
http://oi53.tinypic.com/1z2ps1y.jpg
If you still claim that that is NOT a depiction of them coming to blows , then you have serious illustrative-comprehension issues .
I see displays of power, please enlighten me where a blow is struck
Originally posted by Sin I AM
I see displays of power, please enlighten me where a blow is struck
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
facepalm
Definition of the phrase "come to blows" :
http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/come+to+blows
1.to reach the point of fighting about someone or something.
2.to have a fight or a serious argument with someone
3.to have a fight or a serious argument
U can troll and facepalm all u want your STILL wrong, no blow was struck.
Originally posted by carver9
Versatility is the main key for reaching skyfather levels. If you don't have it, you don't belong. You can be as powerful as you want physical, if you are not versatile enough to contend with a true skyfather, your chances are gone. You can have the power but you also need the versatility. Example...Umar is a true high end skyfather. She admitted on panel TWICE that she didn't have the power to defeat the Mindless ones. Not only did Hulk defeat them at WWH levels...when going into full, blown, WBH mode, he killed the Mindless Ones with a back lash of a single punch. That wasn't just it. He killed 2 physical high Herald, a being that was amped enough to destroy Worlds and he destroyed a being that over powered Merged Hulk with one arm and defeated Surfer at the same time. He killed all of these beings without even touching them and being at couple of 100 ft in the air. That's not it...he took out the planet and two moons (remember, single punch, also remember, a high end skyfather admitted she couldnt take out some of these beings under her own power and Hulk killed them without even touching them).Let's also not forget that the current/recent depictions of the Mindless ones was capable of shrugging off attacks from high Heralds like nothing. To the point that Nova himself had to flee because his power output wasn't enough to even damage them.
They were also capable of walking in neutron stars without even feeling it.
[url]http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/MindlessonesNeutron.jpg
The heat from Hulk punch killing these beings should outright be intense as hell. After all of this...I still wouldn't put Hulk in the skyfather tier because even though he is a physical monster, he is missing a lot of things. I wouldn't put Amazo either or Strange.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
facepalm
Definition of the phrase "come to blows" :
http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/come+to+blows
1.to reach the point of fighting about someone or something.
2.to have a fight or a serious argument with someone
3.to have a fight or a serious argument
