So the Godblast can one-shot elite skyfathers that's the general opinion? Nothing Zelia did suggested she was more powerful than Odin/Zeus. In the scan that was posted the GB didn't defeat her either, she is clearly still talking and threatens to strike back at Thor until Odin drains her power.
People seem to be forgetting Zeus can amp his durability/strength to beyond a double amped Thor, amp his own attacks, can alter his size and is an expert in h2h.
She took over Asgard and stole Odin's power. The fact that she succeeded in invading Asgard and imprisoning Odin cements the fact that, yes, she is, at base levels, a rival/peer to Odin (and Zeus, whose realm she also forcibly invaded). She then took on the energy of her entire pantheon. I mean, at this point, it's clear that she was more powerful than Zeus is at his typical levels. I'm not even sure how that can be disputed?
The Godblast blew a hole through her and had her virtually helpless on the ground. 😐 It didn't kill her, but she was out of the fight and her blustering ramblings don't discount that. I mean, she was weakened to the point where Odin (who was drained of his power) was able to seize her and take what was left by force. Her talking and threatening Thor doesn't take away from the fact that the Godblast completely and utterly messed her up and it doesn't make sense to assume anything else if you read the entire Dark Gods saga by Jurgens.
That's nice and all, but the initial Godblast is going to seriously harm him at the least (no can argue that) and Thor's amps (which go beyond double his physical strength due to the fact that the Odin Force itself is imbued in his gear and courses through his body) are going to boost him to Trans+ level in melee anyway.
In order to make a claim for anything but Zeus being grievously hurt, you'd have to ignore the feats of the Godblast, Thor's gear, and cite some feats of Zeus I certainly never seen to justify it.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
She took over Asgard and stole Odin's power. The fact that she succeeded in invading Asgard and imprisoning Odin cements the fact that, yes, she is, at base levels, a rival/peer to Odin (and Zeus, whose realm she also forcibly invaded). She then took on the energy of her entire pantheon. I mean, at this point, it's clear that she was more powerful than Zeus is at his typical levels. I'm not even sure how that can be disputed?The Godblast blew a hole through her and had her virtually helpless on the ground. 😐 It didn't kill her, but she was out of the fight and her blustering ramblings don't discount that. I mean, she was weakened to the point where Odin (who was drained of his power) was able to seize her and take what was left by force. Her talking and threatening Thor doesn't take away from the fact that the Godblast completely and utterly messed her up and it doesn't make sense to assume anything else if you read the entire Dark Gods saga by Jurgens.
That's nice and all, but the initial Godblast is going to seriously harm him at the least (no can argue that) and Thor's amps (which go beyond double his physical strength due to the fact that the Odin Force itself is imbued in his gear and courses through his body) are going to boost him to Trans+ level in melee anyway.
In order to make a claim for anything but Zeus being grievously hurt, you'd have to ignore the feats of the Godblast, Thor's gear, and cite some feats of Zeus I certainly never seen to justify it.
Where is the hole in her chest? When she hits the ground no hole is shown. If she was that messed up Odin wouldn't have needed to end the threat, the dialogue actually contradicts your view on those final scenes tbh. There's the thing, Odin wasn't completely drained of power, weakened yes, but he was able to fight alongside Thor at one point, him forcibly draining Zelia after she just ate a GB is certainly feasible.
I've never believed that the godblast wouldn't affect Zeus, only a someone clueless about Thor would think so, not unless Zeus shielded himself or something. The amp Thor gained from the OF was ambiguous and this is indisputable, no doubt Thor was powerful but to suggest he could defeat an elite skyfather in h2h is a bit of a stretch imo. We didn't see enough of him. I think it would be a hard-fought win for Zeus personally.
Originally posted by Stoic
That was at a time when the Juggernaut was a true monster though. It could easily be argued that his durability was greater than Zeus'.
I know, but giving Goldilocks the win here just doesn't feel right!!!! 😠
Frukkin godblast... Belt of str ain't gonna do much since Zeus gonna amp the frukk up. Shield and gloves will help though... But bleh with this godlbast business.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Odin has already beaten her aswell and banished her Pantheon from Asgard. It's not like she beat Odin fair and square anyway. She leeched some of his power, chained him up and had him tortured for weeks, yet he was still was able to stand up to her power when he was set free. IIRC when they invaded Olympus the Dark Gods had to use deception, and attacked when Zeus wasn't there. I remember reading a scene which implied she was wary of Zeus' power.Where is the hole in her chest? When she hits the ground no hole is shown. If she was that messed up Odin wouldn't have needed to end the threat, the dialogue actually contradicts your view on those final scenes tbh. There's the thing, Odin wasn't completely drained of power, weakened yes, but he was able to fight alongside Thor at one point, him forcibly draining Zelia after she just ate a GB is certainly feasible.
I've never believed that the godblast wouldn't affect Zeus, only a someone clueless about Thor would think so, not unless Zeus shielded himself or something. The amp Thor gained from the OF was ambiguous and this is indisputable, no doubt Thor was powerful but to suggest he could defeat an elite skyfather in h2h is a bit of a stretch imo. We didn't see enough of him. I think it would be a hard-fought win for Zeus personally.
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Thor wins, hands down!
Zeus being hit by a powerful God-blast that he cant defend and reduce to h2h against Thor w/amp belt of strength, shield and gauntlets, Thor would jump all over Zeus and KO him, God-blast is one the most constant moves Thor has in his arsenal, only one that tanked it was Juggernaut and that was due to Cytorrak enchantment.
Too say Zeus will still win is lunacy, and show that person mentally unwell!
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
So basically, what a lot of people are saying here, is if Thor has his belt, gauntlets, and shield, and manages to get off a godblast right off the bat, he can beat a skyfather? I'm not sure I can agree with that. The only thing that makes me lean towards Thor here is the H2H stip.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
So the Godblast can one-shot elite skyfathers that's the general opinion?
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Where is the hole in her chest? When she hits the ground no hole is shown.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
This may not be one-shotting , but the GB ended up forcefully BFRing TWO elite skyfather-level beings :Yup , and before she hits the ground , the GB is shown blasting straight through her chest/upperbody region .
She may have regenerated the physical damage from the attack , but it clearly crippled her , affected her so badly that a weak , frail, broken and tormented Odin was able grab her and forcefully take back the power which she leeched of from him .
Odin was fighting alongside the Destroyer armour and Hercules while being attacked by Zelia who at that point had absorbed her pantheon's energies into herself, lol @ him being "frail" and "broken".
I agree in part, I believe she was regenerating/recovering from the godblast but she clearly wasn't defeated, it reminds me a little of the most recent Odin v Galactus fight. Odin seemed to hurt Galactus quite badly by taxing him with TP and the almighty headbutt but ultimately Big G was able to recover the damage as if it never happened. That seemed to be the case in the Zelia instance, had Odin not intervened when he did her war on Asgard would not have ended.
I think the best and fair thing to do is to cite or post some Zeus showings that would suggest him being well enough after a Godblast to fight an incredibly amped Thor in only H2H and win or even put up enough of a fight to justify Thor not winning decisively, which, all things considered, he likely would.
Personally, I feel myself and others have made more than a solid enough case using on panel evidence and feats in favor of Thor per the OP's stips. And from what I'm reading, people are thinking that Zeus' status as a skyfather as the reason why they're hesitant on giving Thor, even amped and getting a free Godblast the win.
Unfortunately, we have actual on panel evidence of what the Godblast is consistently capable of (including going through an actual skyfather - who is amped by her entire pantheon + Odin's own power) and what level the Odin Force enchanted gear took him to (matching an amped Thanosi who was clearly above the power levels of a "standard" Thanos).
Tbh, the counter-argument of "Zeus is a skyfather" doesn't really hold much weight in this thread as we know that even skyfathers can and will get rocked by the Godblast to say nothing of an amped Thor in melee.
I mean, we have on panel evidence of Thor's Godblast severely damaging an actual skyfather, who by all rights, is at least on Zeus' level after amalgamating her entire pantheon and stealing a majority of Odin's power.
We also have on panel evidence of Odin Force amped gear wearing Thor taking on a Thanosi who was a universal threat (penned by the same writer, Dan Jurgens, who also wrote Thor blasting Zelia).
At this point, it really can't be clearer who wins this. And that's without factoring in the other displays of the Godblast (which even at its weakest, would likely harm Zeus enough to give Thor a considerable edge).
Originally posted by The Sorrow
A BFR that was made possible by the Twilight Sword and as such has no bearing here, it certainly didn't kill Ymir or Surtur.Odin was fighting alongside the Destroyer armour and Hercules while being attacked by Zelia who at that point had absorbed her pantheon's energies into herself, lol @ him being "frail" and "broken".
I agree in part, I believe she was regenerating/recovering from the godblast but she clearly wasn't defeated, it reminds me a little of the most recent Odin v Galactus fight. Odin seemed to hurt Galactus quite badly by taxing him with TP and the almighty headbutt but ultimately Big G was able to recover the damage as if it never happened. That seemed to be the case in the Zelia instance, had Odin not intervened when he did her war on Asgard would not have ended.
Nope , her pantheon was merged into a single giant monster which then fought the heroes . She didn't absorb their energies into herself , or anything of the sort .
So you're saying that he was completely fine after having his power drained from him and then imprisoned and (from the looks of it) tortured by her for days ? Makes sense .
Except for the part in which she was still on the ground and clearly injured . Its crystal clear that Thor's godblast took most of the fight out from her , since she wasn't even able to fight back when a weakened , power-drained Odin was able to restrain her and take back his power from her against her will .
Odin won the day only thanks to Thor , just as was the case in their original battle with the Dark Gods .
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Your point ? It was still the Godblast's own energy , and it was already capable of ripping open the fabric of the universe .
I already agreed that it didn't one-shot or hurt either of them(since you know it wasn't even focused on them) .Nope , her pantheon was merged into a single giant monster which then fought the heroes . She didn't absorb their energies into herself , or anything of the sort .
So you're saying that he was completely fine after having his power drained from him and then imprisoned and (from the looks of it) tortured by her for days ? Makes sense .
Except for the part in which she was still on the ground and clearly injured . Its crystal clear that Thor's godblast took most of the fight out from her , since she wasn't even able to fight back when a weakened , power-drained Odin was able to restrain her and take back his power from her against her will .
Odin won the day only thanks to Thor , just as was the case in their original battle with the Dark Gods .
Either way Odin took blasts from the totality of her power so he clearly wasn't as weakened as is being made out. The amount of energy she drained from Odin is also ambiguous, I don't recall it ever being stated or shown that she drained "most of Odin's power". The Dark Gods went out their way to make sure Zeus didn't get involved in their war for a reason.
If that godblast scene was clear then there would be no room for interpretation but there is. Reading that scene I didn't get the impression she was defeated, when you're badly injured you generally don't talk as if whatever attack you sustained was a small setback. Again there would also have been no need for Odin to divebomb her like that if she was truly done for. Whatever (if any) injuries Thor inflicted in that scene would have been temporary.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I know, but giving Goldilocks the win here just doesn't feel right!!!! 😠Frukkin godblast... Belt of str ain't gonna do much since Zeus gonna amp the frukk up. Shield and gloves will help though... But bleh with this godlbast business.
Yeah but, everything about Thor would be amplified out the a$$. Mjolnir would hit harder, as would his G-Blast. The Mighty Thor 25 states this, and it has become proven that the more Odin Force that Thor has to work with allows for the hammer to become more powerful. With all of that gear, and the free shot, I just can't see how Zeus wouldn't be thoroughly crippled from the start of the match. And then while he is lying on the ground trying to get it together, Thor is upon him raining down murder.
Originally posted by Stoic
Yeah but, everything about Thor would be amplified out the a$$. Mjolnir would hit harder, as would his G-Blast. The Mighty Thor 25 states this, and it has become proven that the more Odin Force that Thor has to work with allows for the hammer to become more powerful. With all of that gear, and the free shot, I just can't see how Zeus wouldn't be thoroughly crippled from the start of the match. And then while he is lying on the ground trying to get it together, Thor is upon him raining down murder.
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I wouldn't dream of quantifying how much stronger Thor would become overall than the normal x2 strength the belt normally gives him, but he was amped with a considerable amount of the Odin Force on top of that, and anyone with any passing knowledge of Thor comics knows that even a trace amount of the Odin Force greatly increases the user's durability and overall power.
Heimdall was given a small portion of it in the small time he served as ruler of Asgard, and he was no selling Mjolnir strikes to the face. And I'm fairly certain that Odin bestowed more OF to the gear for Thor than he did to Heimdall.
