Originally posted by XanatosForeverSo you believe it was invisible lava....good for you. I happen to believe it was a force push. That force push raped Gandalf the weak.
You keep saying that, but how do you know? Were you on set during the scene? Do you have a copy of the script where it says "two epic wizards have a duel using gusts of wind"? If so, post a scan.It's not a matter of common sense. People are still clearly debating for Middle Earth.
People gave up and conceded through pms.
Originally posted by PwnedThe same wizard who was killed by Wormtongue or whatever his name was. Pathetic.
The telekinesis of a superior wizard defeated him. Not gusts of air.Russell still can't hurt him.
Oh, and the magic that supposedly killed him? Didn't. The fact he fought for 3 days without stopping, and blew up the side of a mountain is what killed him.
Russell would rape all these weaklings in the same room.
Gandalf perished against the Balrog as well and it would constitute as a forum loss.
You haven't proven Gandalf has the speed to keep up with Russell, kid.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So you believe it was invisible lava....good for you. I happen to believe it was a force push. That force push raped Gandalf the weak.People gave up and conceded through pms.
Once again you are putting words into my mouth. This makes the second time. I never said what I thought was going on in the wizard duel, I was asking you to provide proof they were using gusts of wind.
Force push? So suddenly they're Jedi and Middle Earth is, what, in the Outer Rim or something? Where are their lightsabers?
If that is true, then would you be so kind as to have them PM me confirming this fact?
Originally posted by XanatosForever
My issue is quan insisting it's "just air". Even invisible baseballs makes more sense in the dramatic tension and overall ability of what are supposed to be two great magic wielders, even with a lack of emphasis on magic from the setting.
I, however, believe an argument could be made for the fact that since most villains in LOtR are weak to the sun, and Gandalf's light he shined on the flying Nazgul hurt it; and since all of the Vampires are weak against sunlight in True Blood, they could easily be said to be taken out by Gandalf in one fell swoop. 😬
Originally posted by quanchi112Via a stab in the back. Right.
The same wizard who was killed by Wormtongue or whatever his name was. Pathetic.Russell would rape all these weaklings in the same room.
Gandalf perished against the Balrog as well and it would constitute as a forum loss.
You haven't proven Gandalf has the speed to keep up with Russell, kid.
How would he rape them?
He perished after three days of fighting non stop, falling miles into a lake, a several hundred, if not thousand, mile stair climb, and using magic that blew up the side of a mountain please, enlighten me on how this is weak at all.
You still haven't proven how Russell can even hurt Gandalf after that. Sure, he stopped a braking car. Big whoop. Gandalf stopped the equivalent of a friggin train wreck when he blocked the Balrog's sword.
Originally posted by XanatosForeverLike I said if you believe this was a more powerful attack then we've seen from these wizards be my guest. It was effective is all because they were clean shots on him. The Balrog wasn't ripping clean shots onto him was the problem.
Once again you are putting words into my mouth. This makes the second time. I never said what I thought was going on in the wizard duel, I was asking you to provide proof they were using gusts of wind.Force push? So suddenly they're Jedi and Middle Earth is, what, in the Outer Rim or something? Where are their lightsabers?
If that is true, then would you be so kind as to have them PM me confirming this fact?
Russell is too fast. Gandalf hasn't shown anywhere near that kind of reaction time and was soundly defeated by clean shots(Saruman's to his person).
Originally posted by PwnedGandalf failed against the Balrog as they both died. He took days of fighting because he's not that fast nor that powerful. Russell is faster and more powerful than Gandalf. Russell is also flat out stronger than Gandalf who didn't even solo a cave troll.
Via a stab in the back. Right.How would he rape them?
He perished after three days of fighting non stop, falling miles into a lake, a several hundred, if not thousand, [B]mile
stair climb, and using magic that blew up the side of a mountain please, enlighten me on how this is weak at all.You still haven't proven how Russell can even hurt Gandalf after that. Sure, he stopped a braking car. Big whoop. Gandalf stopped the equivalent of a friggin train wreck when he blocked the Balrog's sword. [/B]
If a force push which causes slight bruising can hurt Gandalf a guy who can easily slap heads off should do the trick. If you think bruising is more dangerous than head slapping strength you need to phone a friend.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Like I said if you believe this was a more powerful attack then we've seen from these wizards be my guest. It was effective is all because they were clean shots on him. The Balrog wasn't ripping clean shots onto him was the problem.Russell is too fast. Gandalf hasn't shown anywhere near that kind of reaction time and was soundly defeated by clean shots(Saruman's to his person).
There were a few points where the balrog was clearly dealing damage to Gandalf, most notably during the fall in Moria in the flim. Gandalf was striking the balrog repeatedly with his sword, which proceeded to grab him. It's been some time, so I don't remember if it tried slamming Gandalf against anything, but something that large even grabbing and squeezing Gandalf would exert enormous amounts of pressure, not to mention the potential damage from fire.
Originally posted by XanatosForeverGandalf has protective magics on obviously and they weren't clean shots. When Gandalf was struck clean by Saruman he was beaten into submission by far less force than the Balrog is capable of. The Balrog is also slow and lumbering unlike Russell.
There were a few points where the balrog was clearly dealing damage to Gandalf, most notably during the fall in Moria in the flim. Gandalf was striking the balrog repeatedly with his sword, which proceeded to grab him. It's been some time, so I don't remember if it tried slamming Gandalf against anything, but something that large even grabbing and squeezing Gandalf would exert enormous amounts of pressure, not to mention the potential damage from fire.
Look at how Gandalf fought in battle against the orces. He was donking them on their heads with his stick. How impressive.
How is being grabbed not a clean shot? The balrog literally had a hold on him, physical contact.
He suddenly has protective magic on during this singular battle as compared to the entirety of the struggle through Moria? If so, then certainly he'd have such protection in this situation, would he not?
So, protected wizard casts sunlight spell to burn vampires to death. Glad to see you finally admit your mistakes, quan.
Who has the ring in this scenario? Is it frodo? Because if all of LOTR is working together couldn't Frodo just stay invisible and then go around stabbing everybody since Sauron would not be a threat? or does Sauron now have the ring again?
When it comes to Gandalf, Sauron, and Saruman, they are completely immortal as I understand it - and now working together on the same side, or did I miss something? Their physical form can be destroyed, but Eru - the Zeus equivalent of Tolkien's mythos - can send them back to Middle Earth if their cause is righteous.
The LOTR trilogy has shown that preserving Middle Earth for its kind is considered a righteous cause for Eru, so all who are Maiar (kind of like demigods) - and all the Tolkien Wizards and Sauron fall into this category - cannot be permanently killed if Middle Earth is the battleground. Or did I miss something?
Let's not forget that both Elrond and Galadriel can help the LOTR-side in this - as can the Balrog since he's on team LOTR now. Btw, it seems a balrog is a type of Maia as well.
Originally posted by PwnedHe uses magic you can see tk attacks far less powerful hurt Gandalf against Saruman. Common sense.
Quan, I want proof of:
Gandalf having protective magics onWhere blunt force trauma to the skull doesn't cause the loss of concious thought.
Where it says at all that Russell can do what you say he can.
Russell is too fast for Gandalf he will be dead before he knew Russell was even there.
I don't even know why I am replying to this again, but Smite is updating, so why not.
The point is, Quan, that you have absolutely no proof that Gandalf had protective magic in place during his fight.
He is actually forbidden to use that much magic. He stretched it when he fought the Balrog.
You still haven't proven that Russell can put out enough damage fast enough to take down Gandalf.
Originally posted by PwnedIt's obvious he used them since Saruman hurt him with tk. You want me to believe the tk is more powerful than the balrog. That's nuts.
I don't even know why I am replying to this again, but Smite is updating, so why not.The point is, Quan, that you have absolutely no proof that Gandalf had protective magic in place during his fight.
He is actually forbidden to use that much magic. He stretched it when he fought the Balrog.
You still haven't proven that Russell can put out enough damage fast enough to take down Gandalf.
Tb side wins due to superior speed to take down the fodder. The witches also can do damage with prep and energy fields.
Or, y'know.....
You can drop it like you should have in the first page when people pointed out why your precious True Blood lost. But, then you wanted to take away anything in LOTR that could pose a threat in your eyes, huh?
Too bad you still haven't proven that Russell can do enough damage to put Gandalf down. A several mile fall into water, while on the chest of a flaming beast, fighting it down, chasing it up a mountain, and then blowing up the side of said mountain to kill said beast, totally means Gandalf can't take a guy who's best strength feat is to stop a braking car.
Originally posted by NemeBroDwarven architecture no less.
We have a character who can survive falling kilometers and fighting a creature who shakes the inside of a mountain with footsteps and crumbles the architecture by moving, and said character happens to be able to project sunlight out of his staff for prolonged periods.Boy I wonder.