Originally posted by D-Block
Thor wins
Thor: Odin's beard, thou hast adamantium for webs ! But I shall...
Spider-Man: webs him up in a few seconds. After that, he immediately makes an adamantium bat with his web and starts pummeling Thor with it.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Minus PIS, why couldn't he?
Because there is a thing called acceleration. Thor can't start off at light speeds or beyond. He must build up to those speeds which takes time. For example, he has thrown his hammer very fast but after whirling it (building up speed) for some time.
Plus Spidey has dodged lasers (including homing ones) on many occasions by simply moving out of the way the instant before they are fired. He can do the same for Thor as well.
Lastly, even if Thor possessed instant light speed then you must know that Thor doesn't fight this way in comics. CIS is on remember. Otherwise I can say Superman speed blitzes from the get go (which he is more likely to do than Thor hitting Spidey the first instant of battle) and combos to ko.
Plus this is disregarding averages (something you and others use and I don't). Thor isn't always fast in comics. He's usually seen as the speed of a brick the high majority of the time while faster characters (like Spidey, Wolverine, Mongoose, Quicksilver, etc.) have been CONSISTENTLY portrayed to be faster. Actually it is less than 1% of the time Thor acts as fast or faster than Spidey.
So again Thor koing or killing Spidey immediately after the bell means someone doesn't read comics or understand how characters usually act.
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Thor isent faster than Spiderman ?
Not in the first instant. Thor has greater top speed and Spidey has better initial burst speed. But Thor is slower without Mjolnir. Not debatable.
Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Because, compared to Spider-Man, Thor is pretty slow. Spider-Man is just a hell of a lot faster than Thor.Thor: Odin's beard, thou hast adamantium for webs ! But I shall...
Spider-Man: webs him up in a few seconds. After that, he immediately makes an adamantium bat with his web and starts pummeling Thor with it.
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Originally posted by h1a8
Because there is a thing called acceleration. Thor can't start off at light speeds or beyond. He must build up to those speeds which takes time. For example, he has thrown his hammer very fast but after whirling it (building up speed) for some time.
Plus Spidey has dodged lasers (including homing ones) on many occasions by simply moving out of the way the instant before they are fired. He can do the same for Thor as well.Lastly, even if Thor possessed instant light speed then you must know that Thor doesn't fight this way in comics. CIS is on remember. Otherwise I can say Superman speed blitzes from the get go (which he is more likely to do than Thor hitting Spidey the first instant of battle) and combos to ko.
Plus this is disregarding averages (something you and others use and I don't). Thor isn't always fast in comics. He's usually seen as the speed of a brick the high majority of the time while faster characters (like Spidey, Wolverine, Mongoose, Quicksilver, etc.) have been CONSISTENTLY portrayed to be faster. Actually it is less than 1% of the time Thor acts as fast or faster than Spidey.
So again Thor koing or killing Spidey immediately after the bell means someone doesn't read comics or understand how characters usually act.
Not in the first instant. Thor has greater top speed and Spidey has better initial burst speed. But Thor is slower without Mjolnir. Not debatable.
But Thor has reacted to people far faster than Spiderman(Surfer, Hiperion, Gladiator,etc). And he had dodged/catched rockets, bullets and reacted to a Thunder (who is at least 100x faster than sound).
In other hand, Hulk alredy has tagged Spiderman(and Wolverine) with ease (to those who think they are faster than bricks).
I dont think Spiderman have a better reaction time than Thor or any herald or even Hulk.
Remember when Spiderman hold(with the web) the Mjolnir ??? He had no idea about what was happen. In less than 1 second he was outside the Earth.
Thor fly at lightspeed knowing what is happening, tagging people and things.
This comic shows there is no way to someone with Spider-man reaction time fly with mjolnir.
And even if Spider put web in his eyes, Thor only needs to attack with a omnidirecional thunderblast.
Originally posted by BUSTER1
😆 😆Yeah b'cos Thor and Hulk are renowned for dancing around automatic gunfire like Spiderman regularly does.
They dont need to do that. But they do things that Spider could never do, like that:
http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww156/ankur2113/Thor-FirstThunder4009.jpg
Or that:
http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww156/ankur2113/Thor-FirstThunder4009.jpg
Hulk also have some feats of grabing rockets (who are faster than bullets).
Originally posted by h1a8
Because there is a thing called acceleration. Thor can't start off at light speeds or beyond. He must build up to those speeds which takes time. For example, he has thrown his hammer very fast but after whirling it (building up speed) for some time.
Plus Spidey has dodged lasers (including homing ones) on many occasions by simply moving out of the way the instant before they are fired. He can do the same for Thor as well.Lastly, even if Thor possessed instant light speed then you must know that Thor doesn't fight this way in comics. CIS is on remember. Otherwise I can say Superman speed blitzes from the get go (which he is more likely to do than Thor hitting Spidey the first instant of battle) and combos to ko.
Plus this is disregarding averages (something you and others use and I don't). Thor isn't always fast in comics. He's usually seen as the speed of a brick the high majority of the time while faster characters (like Spidey, Wolverine, Mongoose, Quicksilver, etc.) have been CONSISTENTLY portrayed to be faster. Actually it is less than 1% of the time Thor acts as fast or faster than Spidey.
So again Thor koing or killing Spidey immediately after the bell means someone doesn't read comics or understand how characters usually act.
Why does Thor need to be light-speed or beyond in order to hit Spider-man?
Originally posted by Silent MasterHe doesn't. I never implied this on this thread.
Why does Thor need to be light-speed or beyond in order to hit Spider-man?
This is would I was addressing, nothing more.
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
But Thor has reacted to people far faster than Spiderman(Surfer, Hiperion, Gladiator,etc). And he had dodged/catched rockets, bullets and reacted to a Thunder (who is at least 100x faster than sound).In other hand, Hulk alredy has tagged Spiderman(and Wolverine) with ease (to those who think they are faster than bricks).
I dont think Spiderman have a better reaction time than Thor or any herald or even Hulk.
Remember when Spiderman hold(with the web) the Mjolnir ??? He had no idea about what was happen. In less than 1 second he was outside the Earth.
Thor fly at lightspeed knowing what is happening, tagging people and things.
This comic shows there is no way to someone with Spider-man reaction time fly with mjolnir.
And even if Spider put web in his eyes, Thor only needs to attack with a omnidirecional thunderblast.
Spidey has dodge bullets, light speed attacks, lightning, etc. on numerous occasions far more consistent to Thor. He has been consistently portrayed as faster than Thor as well. Yes he has been tagged but that doesn't mean he isn't faster. Spidey has faster reactions than any herald, including Superman simply because he has pre-cog. Spidey can react before the attack, while Superman and others after the attack. Now Superman may be faster but reactions don't equal speed.
Thor flies at lightspeed ONLY through space where even a human or peak human can react. For example, imagine traveling to the Sun at light speed. Do you have the reactions to avoid the Sun? Hell yeah you do. I would take you a long 8 minutes to be able to react.
Spidey has dodged homing lasers for crying out loud, and lightning with ease. It's fair to say he's not getting hit by Thor from the start of the bell the HIGH majority of the time.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
Thor has flown from earth to the sun in seconds, to get a bomb away from earth. The only reason Thor is portrayed as slow, is most of his rogues gallery, and really most of marvel don't possess much greater than peak human speed.
That doesn't mean anything:
1. If Thor can fly to sun with constant acceleration in say 10 seconds then he can cover battle distance (with same acceleration) with average speed of hundreds of times slower than light. Remember he speeds up to reach insane speeds, he can't obtain insane speeds within a fraction of a second.
2. Traveling speed=/=combat speed. Simply because the reactions to travel through space is far less than to travel within small distances at the same speeds.
At light speed a mere human has 8 minutes to react if approaching the Sun. But at light speeds from 2 meters away, no human can react. Plus combat speed covers speed in which to maneuver within tight spaces.
