Doom vs Namor

Originally posted by KingD19
Thing beat Namor in AvX, Spiky Thing also beat him. There might be another instance but I could(more than likely) be wrong.

Originally posted by tkitna
The same Doom that appeared to have Namor right where he wanted until he got jumped from behind? The same Doom that was winning under water? Sorry, that was a poor example.

Thing just beat Namor under water so what do you mean Thing has never beaten him?

Anyways, Doom wins. Everytime.

Thing managed to hold namor down after he somehow stunned himself trying to use a big fish as a club. Nowhere was namor beaten. Yeah, comics don't matter for some characters.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Thing managed to hold namor down after he somehow stunned himself trying to use a big fish as a club. Nowhere was namor beaten. Yeah, comics don't matter for some characters.

Namor got flash ko'ed because Luke Cage damn near punched his face off. You see it happen in AvX 2 I believe. Why on Earth they depicted it in the VS issue with him just suddenly sinking is beyond me, but if you read the issue where Cage rocks him it makes sense.

Not quite as bad as I seem to remember it, nonetheless I think this is where Namor ends up drifting in the water. And somewhere in this cluster-**** is his fight with Ben as well.

I'm almost certain that this second fight takes place after the scene where Namor flies out of the water in AvX vs.

You surprised me in Utopia

Originally posted by KingD19
Hulk attacked him, and was on the ground next panel.

Pictures ???

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
👆 This guy gets it.

Even discounting AvX Namor (because I'm not going to use Namor's low showing against Ben to discount his entire history 😬 ), Doom's done shit in random encounters that Namor has no defense against.

So, the comics show us that Namor won a direct battle against Doom, two times (thanks Abhi 👆) but Dr. Doom was ooc and this is the sole reason he lost? El oh El. Now he got stronger, is a Sorceror on Stranges level (not classic Strange btw) and Namors defeats by other Characters indicate that he will lose against Doom? El oh El. So, Doom shouldn't be defeated by anyone anymore, fighting in character and should shitsomp over say Thor etc...

I think I get it.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
So, the comics show us that Namor won a direct battle against Doom, two times (thanks Abhi 👆) but Dr. Doom was ooc and this is the sole reason he lost? El oh El. Now he got stronger, is a Sorceror on Stranges level (not classic Strange btw) and Namors defeats by other Characters indicate that he will lose against Doom? El oh El. So, Doom shouldn't be defeated by anyone anymore, fighting in character and should shitsomp over say Thor etc...

I think I get it.

Those scans Abhi showed us that Namor needs the help of another to beat Doom. Which makes that the second instance of Namor not being able to beat Doom on his own cleanly posted in this thread. Imperius Rex and all that shit, eh?

Doom is significantly more powerful than he was portrayed in either fight. That much can't be disputed unless you don't read Doom or just want to be willfully ignorant. He's more powerful than current Strange by far, and according to comics, his magic was superior to Strange before he lost his title as Sorcerer Supreme. We even recently saw him punk "classic" Strange in a flashback in a Spider-Man book. So yes, Doom is and has been an elite mage for at least half a dozen years and as such, significantly more powerful than his portrayals against Namor which have been posted. Of course, you should know this.

If I wanted to be an ass, which I'm not, I'd claim all one has to do is look at Ben vs. Namor in AvX and then compare that to how Doom routinely no sells and beats the shit out of Ben and the rest of the F4, occasionally at the same time.

No one said he shouldn't be beaten by anyone ever or shit stomp Thor in this thread, but it's nice to see your wild projection and strawman argument come to light.

But sadly, no, you really don't get it. But hopefully this simple equation will make things easier for you to comprehend.

Current Doom > Doom from either fight with Namor posted. And even that inferior portrayal of Doom was able to mix it up with Namor underwater for a time. Current Doom would phuck his shit up.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
So, the comics show us that Namor won a direct battle against Doom, two times (thanks Abhi 👆) but Dr. Doom was ooc and this is the sole reason he lost? El oh El. Now he got stronger, is a Sorceror on Stranges level (not classic Strange btw) and Namors defeats by other Characters indicate that he will lose against Doom? El oh El. So, Doom shouldn't be defeated by anyone anymore, fighting in character and should shitsomp over say Thor etc...

I think I get it.

You actually thought those fights had Doom fighting as smart as he usually does in his fights? You think Doom would find it smart to go toe to toe fisticuffs with a dude who stands a chance against hulk?? Why isn't Doom flying? Why wasn't a single spell cast? You can't take those fights seriously.... Can you?

Current Doom's showings against people in and beyond Namor's class are also quite telling. Look at Hulk, Cosmic Hulk Robot, Skaar, Extremis Iron Man, Thor, etc.

I mean, an inferior Doom is able to fight Namor underwater and put up a great fight. And he does so in close quarters without resorting to magic and other bullshit. And somehow, Namor beating Doom, with context, means he'll beat up current Doom in a neutral environment.

El oh el, indeed.

I'd have a riot battlezoning Doom vs. Namor.

Doom throws Namor in the ocean and dives in behind him and still stomps 10/10.

Originally posted by Blight
You actually thought those fights had Doom fighting as smart as he usually does in his fights? You think Doom would find it smart to go toe to toe fisticuffs with a dude who stands a chance against hulk?? Why isn't Doom flying? Why wasn't a single spell cast? You can't take those fights seriously.... Can you?

Actually this is how they fight in character. Sure it depends on the writer but your argument isn't different from the "Superman would fight at nano reaction speed and combo to ko anyone" or "SS would fly at 100x FTL and create Black holes in people brains".

Namor can fly. Spellcaster can be interrupted.
I take them for what they are, defeats of Doom, once he had to flee and well the second time...
Sure if the thread starter would write CIS off for Doom, you point would be valid, if he would write CIS off for both one could also try reaching for an argument that favours Namor. But CIS is on, if not stated otherwise IIRC and the direct confrontations we have favor Namor.
I prefer the comic showings > the fan fantasies. At least most of the time. Sorry.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Actually this is how they fight in character. Sure it depends on the writer but your argument isn't different from the "Superman would fight at nano reaction speed and combo to ko anyone" or "SS would fly at 100x FTL and create Black holes in people brains".

Namor can fly. Spellcaster can be interrupted.
I take them for what they are, defeats of Doom, once he had to flee and well the second time...
Sure if the thread starter would write CIS off for Doom, you point would be valid, if he would write CIS off for both one could also try reaching for an argument that favours Namor. But CIS is on, if not stated otherwise IIRC and the direct confrontations we have favor Namor.
I prefer the comic showings > the fan fantasies. At least most of the time. Sorry.

lol "CIS Off" Doom would demolish Namor.

And Doom can fly as well, in addition to teleport. Pretty sure he has the mobility advantage.

Doom, fighting in character, as he's currently portrayed and has been for the past several years, would beat Namor. And Namor struggled beating Doom in both of those fights and only won because of plot. And yet, impossibly, you think that translates into Namor winning in a forum match devoid of plot and in a neutral environment.

You equating Doom using his tech or magic as being the same as the outlandish Superman or Surfer tactics that they've never done on panel is ridiculous.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Actually this is how they fight in character. Sure it depends on the writer but your argument isn't different from the "Superman would fight at nano reaction speed and combo to ko anyone" or "SS would fly at 100x FTL and create Black holes in people brains".

Namor can fly. Spellcaster can be interrupted.
I take them for what they are, defeats of Doom, once he had to flee and well the second time...
Sure if the thread starter would write CIS off for Doom, you point would be valid, if he would write CIS off for both one could also try reaching for an argument that favours Namor. But CIS is on, if not stated otherwise IIRC and the direct confrontations we have favor Namor.
I prefer the comic showings > the fan fantasies. At least most of the time. Sorry.

Someone should post the scans from Incredible Hulk #7 featuring Doom's scuffle with Hulk.

Imagine how Namor would been treated based off of what Doom did to the "strongest there is".

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Someone should post the scans from Incredible Hulk #7 featuring Doom's scuffle with Hulk.

Imagine how Namor would been treated based off of what Doom did to the "strongest there is".

Originally posted by Blight
Which volume? I have volume 1, I could throw it up (b&w).

Current volume by Jason Aaron.

Seriously, since his return from Hell, Doom's been getting better and crazier feats across the board. And a good deal of them are Doom on the fly, not prep based ones.

You could have made a case for Namor in a hard won fought a few years ago, but nowadays, it's hard seeing him win period. And that's no knock against Namor at all.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Current volume by Jason Aaron.

Seriously, since his return from Hell, Doom's been getting better and crazier feats across the board. And a good deal of them are Doom on the fly, not prep based ones.

You could have made a case for Namor in a hard won fought a few years ago, but nowadays, it's hard seeing him win period. And that's no knock against Namor at all.

Naw I actually really like Namor. That includes the arc that Abbhi was showing earlier, it was one of his bests. But I don't pretend to say a character will win simply because he's awesome. I'm no fanboy ermm13

This return from Hell, was this under Waid as well?

Originally posted by Blight
Naw I actually really like Namor. That includes the arc that Abbhi was showing earlier, it was one of his bests. But I don't pretend to say a character will win simply because he's awesome. I'm no fanboy ermm13

This return from Hell, was this under Waid as well?

Good man. 👆

No, his return from Hell was under JMS, who actually tied it in with Thor's return and relaunch (Mjolnir clove through the dimensions after Ragnarok, which enabled Doom to escape Hell and return to Earth).

But his banishment to Hell was under Waid.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Someone should post the scans from Incredible Hulk #7 featuring Doom's scuffle with Hulk.

Imagine how Namor would been treated based off of what Doom did to the "strongest there is".

Namor beat Santa with the Infinite Gauntlet by throwing a snow ball at him. 😎