Are author's opinions outside of a comic considered canon? I mean, didn't Pak say WWH would have beat OF Thor? And he also said OF Thor is more powerful than Odin. I think it should have to be written by the author, and then approved by an editor and published in order to be considered canon. As far as I know there is nothing in a marvel comic that says they equal 616 Celestials.
Originally posted by keiththegreat
Are author's opinions outside of a comic considered canon? I mean, didn't Pak say WWH would have beat OF Thor? And he also said OF Thor is more powerful than Odin. I think it should have to be written by the author, and then approved by an editor and published in order to be considered canon. As far as I know there is nothing in a marvel comic that says they equal 616 Celestials.
The writer, in this case Hickman, more confirms what is known concerning the 4280 Celestials, their feats are significant enough (atleast imo) to put them at the same level as their 616 counterparts.
Originally posted by keiththegreat
Are author's opinions outside of a comic considered canon? I mean, didn't Pak say WWH would have beat OF Thor? And he also said OF Thor is more powerful than Odin. I think it should have to be written by the author, and then approved by an editor and published in order to be considered canon. As far as I know there is nothing in a marvel comic that says they equal 616 Celestials.
Where did Pak say OF Thor was more powerful than Odin?
Originally posted by keiththegreat
Are author's opinions outside of a comic considered canon? I mean, didn't Pak say WWH would have beat OF Thor? And he also said OF Thor is more powerful than Odin. I think it should have to be written by the author, and then approved by an editor and published in order to be considered canon. As far as I know there is nothing in a marvel comic that says they equal 616 Celestials.
Also , when did Pak make those statements about OF Thor and Odin ?
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Except this was a writer making comments about characters(the Mad Celestials) he created and about whom he is probably the sole writer of stories which involved said characters .
Never mind the fact that the significant feats they had in 2 or 3 issues worth of appearances clearly sold them as being as powerful as their 616-counterparts .Also , when did Pak make those statements about OF Thor and Odin ?
I thought the Pak statements were common knowledge here, I guess not. It's a well known comment, although having just re-looked at it after all these years, the interviewer put the "more powerful than Odin" bit in, but Pak didn't deny it.
http://herochat.com/forum/index.php?topic=183109.0;wap2
Just take a look for that comment on google, you'll find a hundred websites with it.
It doesn't matter if he invented the character. Let's pretend I'm a writer at Marvel and I want the character I invented to be as powerful as the Living Tribunal, but then the editorial staff shoots down the idea but the character still makes it into a comic. It doesn't mean I can say the character I made was more powerful than LT and it's automatically canon. Look at Starlin and Thanos. If he had his way Thanos would be above Galactus.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So an interviewer not knowing jack shit about OF Thor and Pak not bothering to correct him means Pak believes WWH > OF Thor > Odin?barker
I didn't say that at all. I was using the interview to highlight a point that writer's statements outside of a comic are not canon.
If you disagree with me, then you would have to admit that OF Thor would have no chance against WWH, since Pak said so in an interview. He made WWH afterall.
Originally posted by keiththegreat
I didn't say that at all. I was using the interview to highlight a point that writer's statements outside of a comic are not canon.If you disagree with me, then you would have to admit that OF Thor would have no chance against WWH, since Pak said so in an interview. He made WWH afterall.
Pak's statements mean shit to begin with if they're not backed up by on panel evidence or even decent enough allusion.
But just because he didn't correct the interviewer in his (wrong) assertions that Odin Force Thor > Odin, doesn't mean he agrees with the notion that WWH > Odin. The guy clearly believes Zeus and Odin are equals and had Green Scar get put in his place by a holding back Zeus, after all.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Pak's statements mean shit to begin with if they're not backed up by on panel evidence or even decent enough allusion.But just because he didn't correct the interviewer in his (wrong) assertions that Odin Force Thor > Odin, doesn't mean he agrees with the notion that WWH > Odin. The guy clearly believes Zeus and Odin are equals and had Green Scar get put in his place by a holding back Zeus, after all.
Like I said, I mis-remembered it before I looked it up, assuming HE SAID THAT. But he did say OF Thor couldn't beat WWH. And besides, this:
"Pak's statements mean shit to begin with if they're not backed up by on panel evidence or even decent enough allusion."
is the only point I'm trying to make anyway.
Originally posted by UtrigitaBuit what feats did they have that even to 616 Celestials, I doubt this version to take on this many gods with all the amps the Odin wearing the destoryer armour and the odinsword has a good chance of whooping on well fed galactus then add all the other and i can't see big G winning a majority
It depends on which of the mad Celestials you choose to look at, but in general the feats performed by the mad Celestias equals those performed by the 616 Celestials, atleast imo.
Originally posted by DarkOdin
Buit what feats did they have that even to 616 Celestials, I doubt this version to take on this many gods with all the amps the Odin wearing the destoryer armour and the odinsword has a good chance of whooping on well fed galactus then add all the other and i can't see big G winning a majority
Why you believe Celestials >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Galactus ???
In Cancerverse battle, Galactus withstand in the fronline when Celestials run away.
The Mad Celestials won against Kid FR and Nathaniel said they killed adult FR Richards in many timelines. Adult FR used his power + FR kid power to defeat the mad celestials.
To me is safe to say 4 mad celestials > Adult FR.
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Why you believe Celestials >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Galactus ???In Cancerverse battle, Galactus withstand in the fronline when Celestials run away.
The Mad Celestials won against Kid FR and Nathaniel said they killed adult FR Richards in many timelines. Adult FR used his power + FR kid power to defeat the mad celestials.
To me is safe to say 4 mad celestials > Adult FR.
Nathaniel stated that the Mad Celestials killed Reed (not Adult Franklin) in many timelines. Also, Adult Franklin used young Franklin's power SOLELY to resurrect Galactus; young Franklin's powers did not serve as an amp. This was already discussed at length in another thread. Hickman himself confirmed it.
See his responses below:
Link below:
A formspring user (RogerM616) asks:
"Hi , just wanted to ask that in your recent awesome run in the 604th issue of Fantastic Four, did Galactus opening his palms to reveal adult Franklin Richards signify that Galactus had resurrected the dead adult Franklin ? I am very confused."
And Hickman replied:
"He never died. They just thought he would."
Question 2.
MrAnathema asks:
"Are the Celestials of Earth-4280 equal to their 616 counterparts?"
Jonathan Hickman replied:
"In what way? Power? Sure."
Question 3.
MrAnathema asks:
In F4 # 604, aside from being used to resurrect Galactus, did young Franklin's orb serve an additional purpose of increasing the adult Franklin's power in the fight against the Celestials?
JH replied:
"Future Franklin recharged/resurrected Galactus using all the juice little Franklin had."
Originally posted by DarkOdin
And i asked again who are their counterparts. Ashrim Tiamat????
Well, when you think of Celestials that have been used by various authors time and again in 616, which names come to mind? Arishem.. Exitar.. Tiamat..
The 4280 Celestials are essentially in the same league. In other words, in terms of power, they are not inferior. How they compare against each other individually is another story, however.
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Nathaniel stated FR would lose against the 3 Celestials. FR was going to lose the fight without Galactus.
On his own, AF couldn't defeat all three; that is correct. He was able to take down two of the three Celestials, however. Neither AF or Galactus could defeat all three Mad Celestials singlehandedly; they had to combine their efforts.
Also of note, it appears that Galactus may have been wielding at least some of young Frank's power.
Originally posted by DoonYes but my point is did we get the cream of the crop, the middle tier, or the bottom feeders, My guess would be the middle of the road but to say they are equal to 616 celestials is way to baord since the 616 celestial have a broad range of power
Well, when you think of Celestials that have been used by various authors time and again in 616, which names come to mind? Arishem.. Exitar.. Tiamat..The 4280 Celestials are essentially in the same league. In other words, in terms of power, they are not inferior. How they compare against each other individually is another story, however.